flashs advice, wireless triggering...

[elrafo]

Hi there,


I would like to purchase a flash for my D-200 Nikon but not the super highend one, the only thing I really need is the ability to trigger it wireless...

I heard that some flashes are able to be triggered by the simple built in flash of the D-2oo, but I am not sure about how it works and what are the real requirements...

Is the SB-25 working for this kind of jobs ?

Do I have to purchase the last SB-600 (quite expensive...) to get the wireless trigger ?


thanks to let me know!

[JerryPH]

Quote: Originally Posted by elrafo

I heard that some flashes are able to be triggered by the simple built in flash of the D-2ooIs the SB-25 working for this kind of jobs ?

Do I have to purchase the last SB-600 (quite expensive...) to get the wireless trigger ?

The D200 will trigger an SB-800 wirelessly with it's own flash, but NOT the SB-600. You need the SU-800 commander or an SB-800 if you want to trigger one or more multiple SB-600s. The SB-25 will work with the SU-800 commander or the internal flash if you use an optical trigger and control the SB-25 in full manual mode only.
Additional info here:

http://www.daveblackphotography.com/workshop/0408.htm

http://www.strobist.com

These 2 places have all the info you need to start.

Holy moly... another Montrealer!!
(questions en francais repondue en PM seulment, si tu veut)

[elrafo]

holly cow! there is no cheaper solution, I heard that it was possibe to remote flashes a few years ao without this expensive setup, but I am maybe wrong.

thanks a lot for the advice!


cheers

[JerryPH]

Quote: Originally Posted by elrafo

holly cow! there is no cheaper solution, I heard that it was possibe to remote flashes a few years ao without this expensive setup, but I am maybe wrong.

It is, I do it all the time on my D200 and SB-800. Sorry to say that it cannot be done without triggers or optical triggers on the SB-600.

[Arch]

The cheaper solution i use is the SB600 with one of these from ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/wireless-flash...QQcmdZViewItem


(Just do a search for 'wireless trigger sb600' to find one in your currency).

Now im not sure if they have other triggers which would work with an older flash unit... which would make it even cheaper to set up... but its worth looking into if you wish.

The only thing you have to take in account when using these remote triggers is you loose the 'auto' features of the flash so you have to set the strength manually.... but its all fun. They also sometimes dont fire when you want them too but for the price they work ok for me.

[solrac8126]

actually this one is cheaper but a bit limited

ebay.com item # 330220787101

i still have 2 of those they work nice if you're the only one using flash and if you don't use ttl on your flash

but the cactus v2 are almost perfect they miss fire some times but they are cheap.

i guess pocket wizards are the best but i haven't have the chance to use them...

[DigiJay]

If I'm not mistaken, you just need the flash to go off wirelessly.. That can be done in commander mode with a D200 and an SB600 which is the setup I have. No additional components needed.

[Arch]

Yea with my camera model it won't do commander mode but i think the D200 does with the SB600... in which case, yea thats all he'll need.

So it just depends if you can find a dirt cheap flash that will work with an ebay remote trigger cheaper than an SB600.... but i think you'd be best off with the SB600 anyways

[solrac8126]

Quote: Originally Posted by DigiJay

If I'm not mistaken, you just need the flash to go off wirelessly.. That can be done in commander mode with a D200 and an SB600 which is the setup I have. No additional components needed.

yeap he's right
http://www.nikonians.org/nikon/d200_and_cls/

[Socrates]

Quote: Originally Posted by JerryPH

The D200 will trigger an SB-800 wirelessly with it's own flash, but NOT the SB-600. You need the SU-800 commander or an SB-800 if you want to trigger one or more multiple SB-600s. The SB-25 will work with the SU-800 commander or the internal flash if you use an optical trigger and control the SB-25 in full manual mode only.
Additional info here:

http://www.daveblackphotography.com/workshop/0408.htm

http://www.strobist.com

These 2 places have all the info you need to start.

Holy moly... another Montrealer!!
(questions en francais repondue en PM seulment, si tu veut)

Incorrect. The D200 pop-up can function as a commander with SB-800, SB-600 or SB-R200 remotes. The pop-up can be configured to flash or not to flash. Additional information is available in the Nikon D200 user manual, pages 77, 163-165 and 177-178.

[elrafo]

oh thanks! if the SB600 is remoted by my D200 and won't any need additional accessories, then I will go with it!

the SB-25 is not compatible with D200 remote system?

[elrafo]

The SB 600 seems to be remotable with the built in flash of the D200 indeed.

I am wondering of you can remote without flashing with the built in flash ?
if you don't want any front light but just a side light from your remoted Flash, is if possible ?

thanks!

[DigiJay]

Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates

Incorrect. The D200 pop-up can function as a commander with SB-800, SB-600 or SB-R200 remotes. The pop-up can be configured to flash or not to flash. Additional information is available in the Nikon D200 user manual, pages 77, 163-165 and 177-178.

I refer you back to what he said

[elrafo]

eheh lol

thanks!

[Village Idiot]

Vivitar 285HV thyristor flash - $90
Cactus V2S Radio triggers - $30

$120

No TTL and you'll probably want a light stand and an umbrella. $40-$50. And those triggers aren't the most reliable. You'll need to spend at least $180 for a reliable set of radio triggers.

[Stranger]

Guaranteed to trigger the sb-600 with commander mode, i was playing with it all day and i have that setup.

What am i gaining by not using nikons CLS system?

[SpeedTrap]

Quote: Originally Posted by Stranger

What am i gaining by not using nikons CLS system?

Nothing,
The Nikon CLS is wonderful. no need for wires, good range for wireless and you can work with an insane amout of flash units if you like.
While some of the Ideas on the strobist are nice, if you can affort the CLS it is great to work with. I use an SB-600 with my D300 all the time.

[Village Idiot]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpeedTrap

Nothing,
The Nikon CLS is wonderful. no need for wires, good range for wireless and you can work with an insane amout of flash units if you like.
While some of the Ideas on the strobist are nice, if you can affort the CLS it is great to work with. I use an SB-600 with my D300 all the time.

That's definitely wrong

Quote: Originally Posted by Stranger

Guaranteed to trigger the sb-600 with commander mode, i was playing with it all day and i have that setup.

What am i gaining by not using nikons CLS system?

Reliability in certain situations and range. Plus certain triggers allow grouping, HSS up to 2000', auto flash settings that can be stored in the trigger.

The CLS system uses a light fired from the camera. You don't have to have that with other triggering systems. Plus CLS doesn't do well in bright lights outside and you can't use it through walls, and in other situations. Radio waves go through pretty much everything and certain triggers say they have ranges up to 2000'

[JerryPH]

Quote: Originally Posted by DigiJay

If I'm not mistaken, you just need the flash to go off wirelessly.. That can be done in commander mode with a D200 and an SB600 which is the setup I have. No additional components needed.

Are you speaking from experience or guessing? Both Ken Rockwell and the Nikon website say you cannot remote trigger the SB-600 from the D200 without the SU-800 trigger or a SB-800 flash.

I know for a fact that the D200 and SB-800 work wirelessly very well, becuase this is what I have... but I do not have the SB-600.