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PlasticSpanner · 09-05-2005, 07:00 AM

An interesting argument/debate began at my local RC Car Club yesterday that illustrates what our children are learning at school (or not) and possibly more interesting the psycology (sp?) of our younger generation.

The simple question was "Does the Sun move? If you find an answer it has to be with conclusive proof"

Does the Sun move? Yes. The proof? Well............!

These kids are not prepared to accept any answer just because they're told it or they read it in a book or on the internet! They want actual proof they can see for themselves! (personally I think it was a trick question answered correctly and this is their get out!

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I know how I can kinda prove it with Sunspots but how can I prove the Sun doesn't remain still whilst the Sunspots rotate around it like clouds!

Meysha · 09-05-2005, 07:03 AM

It's all relative.

You're trying to prove that the sun moves in relation to what?

us? the sunspots? the rest of the universe?

PlasticSpanner · 09-05-2005, 07:12 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Meysha

It's all relative.

You're trying to prove that the sun moves in relation to what?

us? the sunspots? the rest of the universe?

Ohhhh no! I'm not proving anything! I think this is one that no-one can win!

Kids can be very pedantic when they want/need to be!

I could say the sun moves because it rises in the East and sets in the West and prove it by watching it but this would be discredited with proof that the Earth is actually rotating!

&Denekamp · 09-05-2005, 07:16 AM

Proof is inportant in this world nowadays, the world is getting harder, and you need not to trust something if it can't be proven

well, not that serious, but you get the point, probably. Although I know some kids that just take it all for granted, and/or just don't give a ....

anyway? you wanna prove that the sun moves? You are really getting into astronomagy aren't you? :p First all the moon thingy's, and now this..

But, you wanna proof that the sun moves, or that it rotates?

The sun is a big ball of lava, kinda. So it will almost has to move, at least internally. just like the lava inside our planet. while the monecules get hotter, or cool down, I supose they move back to the middle, or away to the outside. long story short, I'm not sure either if it rotates yes or no.

I do know that it moves around in the universe, or to put it differently, everything moves away for the sun, as does everything else moves away from everything, just because the universe expands (if it hasn't already stoped expanding, or has started contracting) hmm.. I'm not really making myself clear, am I?

hehe, good luck explaining your kid!

ferny · 09-05-2005, 07:19 AM

I think they're playing with you. It's good that they're asking for proof, but I think they're only asking to annoy you.

You can counter their insistance with one word, "why".

1 - Does the Sun move?

2 - Yes.

1 - Prove it.

2 - Why?

And jsut keep saying why to whatever they say. That'll teach the little gits.

&Denekamp · 09-05-2005, 07:20 AM

hmm, wait.. coming to think of it, I haven't come with any proof really.. I can't prove that the universe is expanding, I can't prove that monecules move when the change in temperature.. I can't even prove monecules to begin with, hehe.

this is more a thing of belief, you have to Belief that the universe expands etc.

Hertz van Rental · 09-05-2005, 07:40 AM

I prefer to take the Einsteinian point of view.

Does the Sun move?

It all depends upon where you are standing when you look.

PlasticSpanner · 09-05-2005, 07:41 AM

Or how long you look for!

Hertz van Rental · 09-05-2005, 07:44 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by PlasticSpanner

Or how long you look for!

If you look at the sun for too long you just go blind, silly.

PlasticSpanner · 09-05-2005, 07:47 AM

Not with a welding mask on!...............

PlasticSpanner · 09-05-2005, 07:50 AM

Oh! Should be a little note here just incase anyone tries to do it!

"Don't try to look at the sun through a telescope, binoculars, camera etc without the correct filters otherwise eye damage WILL occur!"

Sound silly but 100's of people do it every year!

Meysha · 09-05-2005, 07:53 AM

ooops sorry. I didn't realise it was a hypothetical.

ferny · 09-05-2005, 07:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by PlasticSpanner

Oh! Should be a little note here just incase anyone tries to do it!

"Don't try to look at the sun through a telescope, binoculars, camera etc without the correct filters otherwise eye damage WILL occur!"

Sound silly but 100's of people do it every year!

Who said that? Come closer where I can see you. I want to thump you for not giving me the warning sooner.

PlasticSpanner · 09-05-2005, 08:14 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Meysha

ooops sorry. I didn't realise it was a hypothetical.

Relativity is a good starting point!

I did think of starting there but realised there are way too many "Prove it" 's and "ah but what about..." 's

It would've ended violently!

Artemis · 09-05-2005, 08:20 AM

I gotto say that children arent just one body, but several different individuals.
Personally, children understand just as much as anybody else, but if I, for example said you can travel through time...youd ask how, which is the same as prove it.
To be honest I hate these, the answer of how kids think thing...its complete rubbish, they all just think, learn.
They know that teachers arent gonna lie for the sake of it, they know that they are probably right...but 90% of the time if a child says "prove it..." the adult will go "err...err..." now whats funnier than your mentor not being able to back up what they tell you?

Artemis · 09-05-2005, 08:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by PlasticSpanner

Oh! Should be a little note here just incase anyone tries to do it!

"Don't try to look at the sun through a telescope, binoculars, camera etc without the correct filters otherwise eye damage WILL occur!"

Sound silly but 100's of people do it every year!

I actually zoomed right in on the sun with a 70 - 300 lens...whoops...

PlasticSpanner · 09-05-2005, 09:33 AM

I nearly did it with a telescope! Had it all set up for projecting onto a screen & for a moment bent down to look through the eyepeice to see if it was still lined up!

Artemis · 09-05-2005, 09:34 AM

Lmao I did mine with holding the camera away and half looking through...

Hertz van Rental · 09-05-2005, 10:03 AM

I understand that if you do it for real smoke comes out of your ears.

Artemis · 09-05-2005, 10:41 AM

I thought that was odd...

09-05-2005, 07:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
PlasticSpanner TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 4,089 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	Prove it! An interesting argument/debate began at my local RC Car Club yesterday that illustrates what our children are learning at school (or not) and possibly more interesting the psycology (sp?) of our younger generation. The simple question was "Does the Sun move? If you find an answer it has to be with conclusive proof" Does the Sun move? Yes. The proof? Well............! These kids are not prepared to accept any answer just because they're told it or they read it in a book or on the internet! They want actual proof they can see for themselves! (personally I think it was a trick question answered correctly and this is their get out! ) I know how I can kinda prove it with Sunspots but how can I prove the Sun doesn't remain still whilst the Sunspots rotate around it like clouds! __________________ I'm a Negative Person. My PhotoBucket MSN

09-05-2005, 07:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
Meysha still being picky Vicky Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bris-Vegas Posts: 4,121	It's all relative. You're trying to prove that the sun moves in relation to what? us? the sunspots? the rest of the universe? __________________ My Flickr

09-05-2005, 07:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
PlasticSpanner TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 4,089 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	Quote: Originally Posted by Meysha It's all relative. You're trying to prove that the sun moves in relation to what? us? the sunspots? the rest of the universe? Ohhhh no! I'm not proving anything! I think this is one that no-one can win! Kids can be very pedantic when they want/need to be! I could say the sun moves because it rises in the East and sets in the West and prove it by watching it but this would be discredited with proof that the Earth is actually rotating! __________________ I'm a Negative Person. My PhotoBucket MSN

09-05-2005, 07:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
ferny TPF Junkie! Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,800	I think they're playing with you. It's good that they're asking for proof, but I think they're only asking to annoy you. You can counter their insistance with one word, "why". 1 - Does the Sun move? 2 - Yes. 1 - Prove it. 2 - Why? And jsut keep saying why to whatever they say. That'll teach the little gits. __________________ Are you from the UK? Join the group. and also Do you want to join a facebook group? www.blueyedmuffin.co.uk and... www.explorationing.com

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Hertz van Rental Dilute to taste TPF Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seeing things a little more clearly Posts: 15,187	I prefer to take the Einsteinian point of view. Does the Sun move? It all depends upon where you are standing when you look. __________________ See Janet complain that John is putting on weight. See Janet complain that John's penis is getting smaller. See John explain that it's because he is accelerating towards the speed of light. from Janet and John Get Physical Meet up 2009?

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09-05-2005, 07:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
&Denekamp I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 297	Proof is inportant in this world nowadays, the world is getting harder, and you need not to trust something if it can't be proven well, not that serious, but you get the point, probably. Although I know some kids that just take it all for granted, and/or just don't give a .... anyway? you wanna prove that the sun moves? You are really getting into astronomagy aren't you? :p First all the moon thingy's, and now this.. But, you wanna proof that the sun moves, or that it rotates? The sun is a big ball of lava, kinda. So it will almost has to move, at least internally. just like the lava inside our planet. while the monecules get hotter, or cool down, I supose they move back to the middle, or away to the outside. long story short, I'm not sure either if it rotates yes or no. I do know that it moves around in the universe, or to put it differently, everything moves away for the sun, as does everything else moves away from everything, just because the universe expands (if it hasn't already stoped expanding, or has started contracting) hmm.. I'm not really making myself clear, am I? hehe, good luck explaining your kid!

09-05-2005, 07:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
&Denekamp I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 297	hmm, wait.. coming to think of it, I haven't come with any proof really.. I can't prove that the universe is expanding, I can't prove that monecules move when the change in temperature.. I can't even prove monecules to begin with, hehe. this is more a thing of belief, you have to Belief that the universe expands etc.

09-05-2005, 07:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
PlasticSpanner TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 4,089 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	Or how long you look for! __________________ I'm a Negative Person. My PhotoBucket MSN

09-05-2005, 07:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Hertz van Rental Dilute to taste TPF Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seeing things a little more clearly Posts: 15,187	Quote: Originally Posted by PlasticSpanner Or how long you look for! If you look at the sun for too long you just go blind, silly. __________________ See Janet complain that John is putting on weight. See Janet complain that John's penis is getting smaller. See John explain that it's because he is accelerating towards the speed of light. from Janet and John Get Physical Meet up 2009?

09-05-2005, 07:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
PlasticSpanner TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 4,089 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	Not with a welding mask on!............... __________________ I'm a Negative Person. My PhotoBucket MSN

09-05-2005, 07:50 AM	#11 (permalink)
PlasticSpanner TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 4,089 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	Oh! Should be a little note here just incase anyone tries to do it! "Don't try to look at the sun through a telescope, binoculars, camera etc without the correct filters otherwise eye damage WILL occur!" Sound silly but 100's of people do it every year! __________________ I'm a Negative Person. My PhotoBucket MSN

09-05-2005, 07:53 AM	#12 (permalink)
Meysha still being picky Vicky Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bris-Vegas Posts: 4,121	ooops sorry. I didn't realise it was a hypothetical. __________________ My Flickr

09-05-2005, 07:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
ferny TPF Junkie! Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,800	Quote: Originally Posted by PlasticSpanner Oh! Should be a little note here just incase anyone tries to do it! "Don't try to look at the sun through a telescope, binoculars, camera etc without the correct filters otherwise eye damage WILL occur!" Sound silly but 100's of people do it every year! Who said that? Come closer where I can see you. I want to thump you for not giving me the warning sooner. __________________ Are you from the UK? Join the group. and also Do you want to join a facebook group? www.blueyedmuffin.co.uk and... www.explorationing.com

09-05-2005, 08:14 AM	#14 (permalink)
PlasticSpanner TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 4,089 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	Quote: Originally Posted by Meysha ooops sorry. I didn't realise it was a hypothetical. Relativity is a good starting point! I did think of starting there but realised there are way too many "Prove it" 's and "ah but what about..." 's It would've ended violently! __________________ I'm a Negative Person. My PhotoBucket MSN

09-05-2005, 08:20 AM	#15 (permalink)
Artemis Just Punked Himself Join Date: May 2004 Location: England! w000t! Posts: 5,313 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	I gotto say that children arent just one body, but several different individuals. Personally, children understand just as much as anybody else, but if I, for example said you can travel through time...youd ask how, which is the same as prove it. To be honest I hate these, the answer of how kids think thing...its complete rubbish, they all just think, learn. They know that teachers arent gonna lie for the sake of it, they know that they are probably right...but 90% of the time if a child says "prove it..." the adult will go "err...err..." now whats funnier than your mentor not being able to back up what they tell you? __________________ I like to comply with TPF rules!

09-05-2005, 08:21 AM	#16 (permalink)
Artemis Just Punked Himself Join Date: May 2004 Location: England! w000t! Posts: 5,313 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	Quote: Originally Posted by PlasticSpanner Oh! Should be a little note here just incase anyone tries to do it! "Don't try to look at the sun through a telescope, binoculars, camera etc without the correct filters otherwise eye damage WILL occur!" Sound silly but 100's of people do it every year! I actually zoomed right in on the sun with a 70 - 300 lens...whoops... __________________ I like to comply with TPF rules!

09-05-2005, 09:33 AM	#17 (permalink)
PlasticSpanner TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 4,089 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	I nearly did it with a telescope! Had it all set up for projecting onto a screen & for a moment bent down to look through the eyepeice to see if it was still lined up! __________________ I'm a Negative Person. My PhotoBucket MSN

09-05-2005, 09:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
Artemis Just Punked Himself Join Date: May 2004 Location: England! w000t! Posts: 5,313 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	Lmao I did mine with holding the camera away and half looking through... __________________ I like to comply with TPF rules!

09-05-2005, 10:03 AM	#19 (permalink)
Hertz van Rental Dilute to taste TPF Subscriber Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seeing things a little more clearly Posts: 15,187	I understand that if you do it for real smoke comes out of your ears. __________________ See Janet complain that John is putting on weight. See Janet complain that John's penis is getting smaller. See John explain that it's because he is accelerating towards the speed of light. from Janet and John Get Physical Meet up 2009?

09-05-2005, 10:41 AM	#20 (permalink)
Artemis Just Punked Himself Join Date: May 2004 Location: England! w000t! Posts: 5,313 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit	I thought that was odd... __________________ I like to comply with TPF rules!