Something Very Annoying Happened Tonight

chrisburke · 02-22-2009, 05:43 PM

sitting in a room with a bunch of my friends, we're all just hanging out have supper, having a good time... then my buddy starts talking to one of the girls about photography... asking her questions, stuff like that, because he wants to get a new camera, either an advanced PS or a low end dslr...

so shes telling him all about the ifs ands and whys about dslrs and things of that nature... she is a "self proclaimed photographer" who really thinks she knows what shes doing, but, she doesnt... shes the type who would take a job at a wedding, and show up with her point and shoot...in fact, she use to have a D80, and i brought her along to second shoot a wedding with me, basically so she could get some experience.. she got there, her camera wasnt working, so I gave her one of mine.. she shot on auto the whole time...

anyways, so shes talking to my buddy, telling him info and such... but its all wrong... because as I said, shes an "auto shooter" she doesnt understand shutter speed or aperture or anything like that.... i didn't want to pipe in because shes already annoyed with me that i've taken photography further than her in the 2+ years i've been shooting (to her 6 or 7 years)...

I guess i'm just frustrated and needed a place to vent... how do you guys deal with people who think they know it all... do you just let them go on, or do you try to correct them>????

Seefutlung · 02-22-2009, 05:52 PM

I used to be confrontational ... but I hope I have matured and don't sweat the small stuff. The problem is that your bud may buy a camera based on wrong info ... so give him a call/text/email and give him the straight stuff. No need to belittle her also in your communique ... just that you over heard "Susie" and she wasn't entirely right ...

Gary

chrisburke · 02-22-2009, 05:54 PM

yea, i think thats what i'm going to do... i just dont want it to seem to him like i'm trying to bad mouth her...

Overread · 02-22-2009, 06:09 PM

part of the problem is not that she is using auto mode
the problem is that - to her - auto mode gives her shots that are better than (I suspect) when she has tried the other modes. And when you spend that much money on a camera a lot of people today assume that the auto mode computer is doing a lot of work when infact its not really doing that much (when compared to the other modes on a DSLR)

As for how I would approach the problem - well I would try teaching her (though if she is already bitter against you this might be a deadend road - you could try, just that you would have to be extra polite)
As for the other friend I suspect confruntation in person might have led to a conflict between you and the girl - and your other friend would quickly have been left way behind in the argument - so good on not butting in then. Just have a chat with him about your views on cameras and what is best for him - but don't rush out to say that your other friend was "wrong". Instead just offer your position on the discussion without bias. If you try to start countering all her points you just start building on a war with her which now involves others as weapons (which camera he picks becomes the battleground)
just remain neutral

gsgary · 02-23-2009, 02:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by chrisburke

sitting in a room with a bunch of my friends, we're all just hanging out have supper, having a good time... then my buddy starts talking to one of the girls about photography... asking her questions, stuff like that, because he wants to get a new camera, either an advanced PS or a low end dslr...

so shes telling him all about the ifs ands and whys about dslrs and things of that nature... she is a "self proclaimed photographer" who really thinks she knows what shes doing, but, she doesnt... shes the type who would take a job at a wedding, and show up with her point and shoot...in fact, she use to have a D80, and i brought her along to second shoot a wedding with me, basically so she could get some experience.. she got there, her camera wasnt working, so I gave her one of mine.. she shot on auto the whole time...

anyways, so shes talking to my buddy, telling him info and such... but its all wrong... because as I said, shes an "auto shooter" she doesnt understand shutter speed or aperture or anything like that.... i didn't want to pipe in because shes already annoyed with me that i've taken photography further than her in the 2+ years i've been shooting (to her 6 or 7 years)...

I guess i'm just frustrated and needed a place to vent... how do you guys deal with people who think they know it all... do you just let them go on, or do you try to correct them>????

That's because she shoots Nikon

Village Idiot · 02-23-2009, 09:15 AM

I would have said something. I'm not scared. Don't doubt me.

Kegger · 02-23-2009, 09:49 AM

I'm with VI, I would have shot her down in a heartbeat. I'd rather piss one person off than let them spread disinformation.

You think I'm kidding, go ask the local Best Buy camera pukes, lol.

roadkill · 02-25-2009, 06:50 AM

There is a certain satisfaction in shutting down people like that. Depending on their intent and who they are (i.e. a friend or business associate). Usually, in my experience, if you give them enough rope they'll hang themselves. If not a few well placed questions will bring their full ignorance into a glorious spotlight.

flea77 · 02-25-2009, 07:03 AM

The real question here, that no one has asked, is she cute?

Allan

MikeBcos · 02-25-2009, 07:14 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by chrisburke

I guess i'm just frustrated and needed a place to vent... how do you guys deal with people who think they know it all... do you just let them go on, or do you try to correct them>????

Shoot them down, works even better is you can produce facts to back you up there and then!

cayuse · 02-25-2009, 07:25 AM

The person she is talking to may only want something to point and shoot. Most people do not want to get seriously involved in photography, just talk a good game. Keep out of it.

benjieO · 02-25-2009, 07:31 AM

i wouldn't have shut her down but would have joined the conversation and correcting the wrong info she gave.

**DeadEye** · 02-25-2009, 07:34 AM

I hear folks ask advise all the time about what cam to get. MOST PEOPLE WANT A POINT AND SHOOT. I ask do you want to learn photography ~ Its a few years to get there or do you want to push the button and get a real nice snapshot. Most wanna shortcut to the snap. So I say get a powershot or coolpix.

NateOntario · 02-25-2009, 07:48 AM

You'll meet plenty of people like that, lol

Village Idiot · 02-25-2009, 08:05 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by flea77

The real question here, that no one has asked, is she cute?

Allan

Doesn't matter. Girls like assholes.

02-22-2009, 05:43 PM	#1
chrisburke Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Madoc, Ontario Canada Posts: 2,104 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Something Very Annoying Happened Tonight sitting in a room with a bunch of my friends, we're all just hanging out have supper, having a good time... then my buddy starts talking to one of the girls about photography... asking her questions, stuff like that, because he wants to get a new camera, either an advanced PS or a low end dslr... so shes telling him all about the ifs ands and whys about dslrs and things of that nature... she is a "self proclaimed photographer" who really thinks she knows what shes doing, but, she doesnt... shes the type who would take a job at a wedding, and show up with her point and shoot...in fact, she use to have a D80, and i brought her along to second shoot a wedding with me, basically so she could get some experience.. she got there, her camera wasnt working, so I gave her one of mine.. she shot on auto the whole time... anyways, so shes talking to my buddy, telling him info and such... but its all wrong... because as I said, shes an "auto shooter" she doesnt understand shutter speed or aperture or anything like that.... i didn't want to pipe in because shes already annoyed with me that i've taken photography further than her in the 2+ years i've been shooting (to her 6 or 7 years)... I guess i'm just frustrated and needed a place to vent... how do you guys deal with people who think they know it all... do you just let them go on, or do you try to correct them>????

02-22-2009, 05:52 PM	#2
Seefutlung TPF Junkie! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,396 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post My Gallery: (0)	I used to be confrontational ... but I hope I have matured and don't sweat the small stuff. The problem is that your bud may buy a camera based on wrong info ... so give him a call/text/email and give him the straight stuff. No need to belittle her also in your communique ... just that you over heard "Susie" and she wasn't entirely right ... Gary __________________ Join LAShooters for SoCal shooting My Snaps are Here: Stuff

02-22-2009, 06:09 PM	#4
Overread TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK - England Posts: 6,933 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 137 Times in 124 Posts My Gallery: (0)	part of the problem is not that she is using auto mode the problem is that - to her - auto mode gives her shots that are better than (I suspect) when she has tried the other modes. And when you spend that much money on a camera a lot of people today assume that the auto mode computer is doing a lot of work when infact its not really doing that much (when compared to the other modes on a DSLR) As for how I would approach the problem - well I would try teaching her (though if she is already bitter against you this might be a deadend road - you could try, just that you would have to be extra polite) As for the other friend I suspect confruntation in person might have led to a conflict between you and the girl - and your other friend would quickly have been left way behind in the argument - so good on not butting in then. Just have a chat with him about your views on cameras and what is best for him - but don't rush out to say that your other friend was "wrong". Instead just offer your position on the discussion without bias. If you try to start countering all her points you just start building on a war with her which now involves others as weapons (which camera he picks becomes the battleground) just remain neutral __________________ How to get critique and feedback on your photography! My blog My Flickr because its way more uptodate than my blog.. Gear list: Canon 400D+batterygrip; Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS L; Canon MPE 65mm f2.8 macro; Sigma 70mm f2.8 macro; Sigma 150mm f2.8 macro; 580EX2; more teleconverters than is healthy! Do I own enough macro lenses yet?

02-23-2009, 09:15 AM	#6
Village Idiot TPF Junkie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Shepherdsturd, WV / Almost, MD Posts: 3,286 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 28 Times in 25 Posts My Gallery: (0)	I would have said something. I'm not scared. Don't doubt me. __________________ I'm a Pirate. That's because Pirates are better than ninjas. So much better that Pirate deserves to be capitalized as a proper noun and ninja does not. Yar!!! Thirty-five D's and two Marks Lots of millimeters and low f scores Bright pulsing objects that emit bursts of light

02-23-2009, 09:49 AM	#7
Kegger I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The warm, sunny, very polite South Posts: 497 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	I'm with VI, I would have shot her down in a heartbeat. I'd rather piss one person off than let them spread disinformation. You think I'm kidding, go ask the local Best Buy camera pukes, lol. __________________ Assorted Film and Digital SLRs, some glass, and a well worn pair of boots. Flickr We are young! we have heart Born in this world as it all falls apart We are strong we don't belong Born in this world as it all falls apart

02-22-2009, 05:54 PM	#3
chrisburke Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Madoc, Ontario Canada Posts: 2,104 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	yea, i think thats what i'm going to do... i just dont want it to seem to him like i'm trying to bad mouth her...

02-23-2009, 02:31 AM	#5
gsgary TPF Junkie! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chesterfield UK Posts: 2,125 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 41 Times in 33 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by chrisburke sitting in a room with a bunch of my friends, we're all just hanging out have supper, having a good time... then my buddy starts talking to one of the girls about photography... asking her questions, stuff like that, because he wants to get a new camera, either an advanced PS or a low end dslr... so shes telling him all about the ifs ands and whys about dslrs and things of that nature... she is a "self proclaimed photographer" who really thinks she knows what shes doing, but, she doesnt... shes the type who would take a job at a wedding, and show up with her point and shoot...in fact, she use to have a D80, and i brought her along to second shoot a wedding with me, basically so she could get some experience.. she got there, her camera wasnt working, so I gave her one of mine.. she shot on auto the whole time... anyways, so shes talking to my buddy, telling him info and such... but its all wrong... because as I said, shes an "auto shooter" she doesnt understand shutter speed or aperture or anything like that.... i didn't want to pipe in because shes already annoyed with me that i've taken photography further than her in the 2+ years i've been shooting (to her 6 or 7 years)... I guess i'm just frustrated and needed a place to vent... how do you guys deal with people who think they know it all... do you just let them go on, or do you try to correct them>???? That's because she shoots Nikon

02-25-2009, 06:50 AM	#8
roadkill I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 378 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post My Gallery: (0)	There is a certain satisfaction in shutting down people like that. Depending on their intent and who they are (i.e. a friend or business associate). Usually, in my experience, if you give them enough rope they'll hang themselves. If not a few well placed questions will bring their full ignorance into a glorious spotlight. __________________ I am Jack's complete lack of surprise... Nikon D80 Nikkor18-55mm, f3.5 Quantaray 70-300mm f4, Nikon 50mm f1.8, Nikon SB600

02-25-2009, 07:03 AM	#9
flea77 Been spending a lot of time on here! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Huntsville, TX Posts: 158 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Gallery: (0)	The real question here, that no one has asked, is she cute? Allan __________________ Film: (35mm)-Contax G1, 28mm f2.8 Biogon T, 45mm f2.0 Planar T, 90mm f2.8 Sonar T*, (LF)-Cambo SC 4x5, Fujinon SW 8/90, Fujinon W 5.6/135, Computar Symmetrigon 6.3/210 Digital: Nikon D80, Sigma 24-70mm 2.8, Nikkor 105mm AF 2.8D Micro, Nikkor 70-300mm, Nikkor 50mm 1.8, Rokinon 500mm 6.3 Mirror, SB-600, Cactus V2s trigger

02-25-2009, 07:14 AM	#10
MikeBcos I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 482 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post My Gallery: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by chrisburke I guess i'm just frustrated and needed a place to vent... how do you guys deal with people who think they know it all... do you just let them go on, or do you try to correct them>???? Shoot them down, works even better is you can produce facts to back you up there and then! __________________ Primarily, I'm a snapshooter, occasionally I will accidentally get a good photograph. Nikon D40, Nikon 35mm f1.8, Nikon 18-55mm, Quantaray 70-300mm (Tamron AF 70-300mm F4-5.6 Di LD rebadged by Ritz/Wolf), SB-400 Also currently using: Kodak Pony 135 Vivitar XM300 APS camera Minolta Freedom Zoom 130 Date

02-25-2009, 07:25 AM	#11
cayuse TPF Noob! Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	What if she is right? The person she is talking to may only want something to point and shoot. Most people do not want to get seriously involved in photography, just talk a good game. Keep out of it.

02-25-2009, 07:31 AM	#12
benjieO No longer a newbie, moving up! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 59 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	i wouldn't have shut her down but would have joined the conversation and correcting the wrong info she gave.

02-25-2009, 07:34 AM	#13
DeadEye I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 873 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts My Gallery: (6)	I hear folks ask advise all the time about what cam to get. MOST PEOPLE WANT A POINT AND SHOOT. I ask do you want to learn photography ~ Its a few years to get there or do you want to push the button and get a real nice snapshot. Most wanna shortcut to the snap. So I say get a powershot or coolpix. __________________ .

02-25-2009, 07:48 AM	#14
NateOntario No longer a newbie, moving up! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Southern Ontario, Canada Posts: 53 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	You'll meet plenty of people like that, lol

02-25-2009, 08:05 AM	#15
Village Idiot TPF Junkie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Shepherdsturd, WV / Almost, MD Posts: 3,286 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 28 Times in 25 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by flea77 The real question here, that no one has asked, is she cute? Allan Doesn't matter. Girls like assholes. __________________ I'm a Pirate. That's because Pirates are better than ninjas. So much better that Pirate deserves to be capitalized as a proper noun and ninja does not. Yar!!! Thirty-five D's and two Marks Lots of millimeters and low f scores Bright pulsing objects that emit bursts of light

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