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    my shot at blogging my progress in learning Darkroom and Film

    Hi everyone,

    I prefer to study in a group. It is not always that easy to find people with the same interests.

    I have my first student level SLR Camera.

    Why go back to film and darkroom?
    Shooting with film I feel in a way is like comparing a vacuum tube amp and a modern digital amplifier. The digital amp can put out crystal clear sound and also capable digital enhancements possibly beyond what the human ear can appreciate. Vacuum tube amp added kind of a slight distortion in the sound that gave it something that seemed very warm and pleasing. Out of the speakers the richness along with the sound rose as the volume knob was turned up.


    Digital and Film photography is in my opinion more different than most people realize - than I had realized.
    The lens, The film itself is the other half of capturing the image and the image is actually on the film like the grooves in a vinyl record. You can see the image on a negative and you can drop a phonograph needle where you see the next song start on an analog record album.

    Film photography to me is more believable. Images cannot be manipulated in the way digital images can be.
    I recently saw a commercial with a tiger running across a football field. Was a animal handler involved in the creation of this clip? Did the football field have to be rented for the filming?
    Most of us today without much though would think no animal or football field was involve just digital editing.

    As with digital computer photography as an art we like to master digital editing and printing.

    Film photography being I desire it to be my artwork I feel it makes sense to be involved in the entire process including darkroom.

    I have to admire the photographers that afters snapping a possible award winning image had to set up a corner in their bathroom and carefully take the film out of the film can in the dark...


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    Keeping on the subject of darkroom I now own two darkroom books; "into your dark-room step by step" and another one that is way more advanced for me - a beginner. I read a chapter on cutting the film can open and getting the film on the spool, into the tank, temp, solution, shake, time, dump, next solution and ... somewhere later finished negatives

    I have an enlarger. I though it would be wise to place a negative in the enlarger to see how the light shines though it;



    The Enlarger has a 60w incandescent bulb I will later see how the top comes apart.

    I am getting sleepy now 9:12 am.

    The top kind of wiggles out:


    (I wish I could be more spontaneous adding images I have some issues getting my images where they should be)
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    you need to be sure the bulb is a proper enlarging bulb. If the "writing" is on the top part as most house hold bulbs are, don't use it in the darkroom. You will end up with writing on your images.

    Developing negatives is very simple and easy to do. THe hardest part will be rolling the film onto the reel. Practice with an old roll until you can get it on the reel with your eyes closed or your hands under a table. As this part MUST BE DONE IN THE DARK.

    Learning to print will take more time and lots of practice. Don't be afraid to fill the "learning bin" a.k.a trash can.

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    I agree with Ann, rolling the film on the reel takes practice, however once you get it done the rest is a breeze. As for printing welcome to a great and fun world to explore. I can spend hours at a time in the darkroom. Pure pleasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ann View Post
    you need to be sure the bulb is a proper enlarging bulb. If the "writing" is on the top part as most house hold bulbs are, don't use it in the darkroom. You will end up with writing on your images.
    That's good to know.
    I got past chapter five in the Darkroom manual only to wonder if all that was about developing the negative. I hope to read the book over and over until I understand enough at least to avoid doing such as mixing a batch of solution for 300 rolls of 36 film that cost $$$ and has a shelf life of 3 months.


    - I guess that is what the learning bin is about

    I'll later practice getting the film on the spool.

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    (by the way: I SEEK EMPLOYMENT WORTHY OF MY CAPABILITIES)

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    I would suggest using HC-110 at solution B as a one shot developer. It will last a very long time in it's concertrated form. Stop bath is cheap and just mix a few drops with water for the film and maybe an ounce with 32 of water when printing.

    Fixer also has a long life, it depends more on the amount of silver it contains than age. A gallon of concentrated fixer will keep for a long time. Mix the proper ratio for film and keep in a separate container. You can use some hypo check that will let you know when the fixer needs to be replaced. (it becomes cloudy).

    With paper, you can count prints to determine how long to use the prepared fixer.

    Developing negatives is really very easy. Yes, be careful when setting up chemistry in the correct order and check the temperature to be sure it is correct, especially for the film. After loading film, now it is a matter of clock watching.

    The most important thing I tell my students. consistency is critical for making printing fun .

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    The timer: I have this vintage darkroom clock. I plugged it in. It is capable of buzzing. I will later try setting the time and replacing the plug with a grounded plug as it was intended to be used with. I was hoping to find a ground plug that would look like it belonged. For now I have a modern looking white ground plug. I have not attempted to set the time on this because was not sure how. I would guess that the center knob on the clock hands must be turned. (If it doesn't work I have a backup clock. The backup works but only shuts off one device.) I may be fussy about the ground plug as far as ascetic value. I believe the original plug was molded onto the cord. A restoration would be to find an entire replacement cord with a ground plug molded on from a discarded toaster or something else from that time period. I spent enough on this clock to keep it vintage looking and hopefully functional.
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    basically this timer runs backwards.

    Is there someone in your community or a class you could take? It would save you lots of time, engery and money to find someone to assist you.

    There is a lot of information available here and elsewhere on the internet, but it can also be hit or miss and very time consuming. MUch easier and faster to talk with someone face to face.

    Someone with darkroom experinece in your area who has serious experience and knowledge could help you set up you darkroom and equipment in less than an hour.

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    Wording it in a constructive way I will see if I can locate any photographers that understand darkroom. With the advise I have gained here I should have a better chance finding some experienced photographers that know darkroom. I'll try the places I would go for supplies. I will have to travel - a necessary evil.

    I believe This THREAD - "MY SHOT AT BLOGGING MY progress in LEARNING DARKROOM AND FILM" is becoming inappropriately too large of a project for a forum. So I am moving this thread to www.juzeppy.com (feel free to give me any advise about the website.)
    I can upload as much content as I want.

    I guess time to for me to advance from the bargain pack color film I earmarked to be processed commercially and move on to shooting with the B&W film I will eventually process myself.

    Ill check back here for advise.

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    Check the phone book. I live in a small town, and even here, there are multiple darkrooms for rent (inside of local pro's studios). Anybody that has a darkroom for rent should be more than capable of providing a few pointers.

    Call around to local photographers and ask if they would be willing to rent darkroom time. If so, they would most likely be willing to give you some help.

    A lot of the 'old timer's' probably still have all of their darkroom stuff, even if they don't use it much anymore. Call around and ask. Tell them that you're interested in renting some time in the darkroom, and if possible a little guidance from them. If you can get them on a slow day it shouldn't be a problem.
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    I hope by the end of the week to find a brick and mortar place with face to face communications.

    Not sure what it is.

    I realized I had uploaded images without any watermarks.
    (I edited them out of my posts)

    Another reason I am looking forward to learning darkroom and film.

    And occasionally getting away from all the computers and cell phones and televisions maybe living with the Amish.

    I'll try my best not to be too self conscious.

    And hopefully have fun

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    Thanks Ann,Greggh, and olllllo,
    I would prefer to enroll in a credited college to learn film and photography unfortunately I'm not sure I could afford the tuition or how my bones would be after sitting in classroom desk for a couple hours along side a bunch of people more recent bodies than my own.

    I made a visit to my camera store. Sales person was helpful especially now that I have a better understanding of the darkroom. I am back with what should be the correct chemical supplies. Next time to practice with getting the film on the spool and later the research for what comes next.
    (Oh and shoot some B&W film to be developed)

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    In my darkroom classes, very little sitting but a lot of standing in a darkroom.

    Too bad a junior college is not in your area with a darkroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ann View Post

    Learning to print will take more time and lots of practice. Don't be afraid to fill the "learning bin" a.k.a trash can.

    FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION!!!


    (I've been dieing to use that sentence)

    I am half way through shooting my first roll of B&W film. I have not just art here or practice but memories of the unofficial last weekend of summer on this roll!

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    Developing the film itself is pretty easy. You might not get it perfect the first time, but it's pretty hard to mess up so badly that you get nothing at all.

    Just make sure you don't expose it to light until after it's fixed.

    Probably the easiest mistake to make is too much or too vigorous agitation.
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    Sorry, but FAILURE is going to occur. THat is how we learn. IF everything turns out perfectly we are clueless as to why; when we make a mistake we learn what not to do and more importantly what to do differently.


 

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