Is shutter count always accurate?

[Sleepy_Sentry]

I have a used Canon Rebel XSi I bought from Adoroma last month for $499. The camera is in near mint condition with only a barely noticeable surface scratch near the strap hook that you have to turn the camera to see.

I decided to check the shutter count today and was surprised by the number: 8945.

So far I have only shot about 400 pictures, but given the condition of the camera, I find it odd that the previous owner took 8,000 shots with it. Wouldn't a camera with so much use show the wear? Is it possible that my shutter count is wrong?

[rom4n301]

quick question.. i got a rebel xt.. how do u check the shutter count

[Garbz]

Show wear? What does shutter count have to do with outwardly wear? If you set the camera to do 3fps I think you would be able to get to 8000 shots within a couple of days.

I have a friend who's camera has done upwards of 60000 and has no signs of wear. On the other hand I dropped mine for the first time at around 3000.

Outside signs of wear show only how well the camera was looked after.
Shutter actuations show how much it was used. The two have little to do with each other.

rom4n301 often the actuations are available somewhere in the EXIF data. If not just google XT shutter actuations.

[O|||||||O]

Quote: Originally Posted by rom4n301

quick question.. i got a rebel xt.. how do u check the shutter count

I have one too.

As far as I know, there is no way to check the actuations. File number is the only indication.

[gryphonslair99]

Quote: Originally Posted by O|||||||O

Quote: Originally Posted by rom4n301

quick question.. i got a rebel xt.. how do u check the shutter count

I have one too.

As far as I know, there is no way to check the actuations. File number is the only indication.

Well there is one way and that is send it to Canon Service. If you need to know that bad and want to pay the price.

[Sleepy_Sentry]

Quote: Originally Posted by Garbz

Show ware? What does shutter count have to do with outwardly wear?

There's no direct relation, of course, but it would make sense that a camera that's been used heavily would have picked up a few bumps and scrapes along the way. Just like a car with 100,000 miles will almost certainly show signs of interior wear.

Is 8,000 shutter clicks high for a used camera? How many shutter clicks does a camera last?

[O|||||||O]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sleepy_Sentry

Is 8,000 shutter clicks high for a used camera? How many shutter clicks does a camera last?

I believe most modern dSLRs are made to last upwards of 100k, though the lower end bodies (like the rebel series) may not make it that far.

I have around 7000 on mine. Still running strong.

[KmH]

An XT shutter should be good for an aveage 30,000 actuations. Like Josh said for Canon you look at the file number.......if it hasn't rolled over.

Your XT isn't listed here but you can poke around and try to extrapolate from the other canon camras:

Shutter Life

For newer Nikon's just make an image in camera as a JPEG, upload it to your computer and look at the 'Maker Notes' with an EXIF reader like Opanda.

[Joves]

Yeah but the Nikons supposedly reset when you do a Firmware upgrade or so I have heard. I should do a check on mine since I recently upgraded mine.

[Garbz]

No they don't. And every camera is different. Not just Nikons or Canons. While the Nikon D90 for instance shows you the shutter count in EXIF according to the above, the D200's shutter count is encrypted and embedded in the RAW file so it's a bit of effort to extract.

I just did a quick google and found that there is no way to get the shutter count out of a Nikon 350D. The 1D's embed it in the ExIF, and I didn't search any further than that.

[KmH]

Quote: Originally Posted by KmH

For newer Nikon's

Of, course newer in digital means a couple of years and the D200 is rapidly approaching 4 years old.

So, I went ahead and snapped a quick JPEG with my D200 and Opanda reads the shutter count no sweat. (It's in red down near the bottom.)

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[Garbz]

That shows how often I visit this topic. This function appears to have been added with a firmware upgrade... 3 years ago.

I was still using a program called "Preview Extractor" which extracts the camera JPEGs and the shutter count out of a RAW file.