Wide Angle......Whats good and bad.

**Tweaker** · 07-03-2009, 07:19 PM

Im in the Market for a wide angle and would like to know what you guys like and why?

Zach

dxqcanada · 07-03-2009, 08:05 PM

Extreme wide angle <14mm ... too much curvature ... distortion get detracting.
Fish eye ... circular image ... lens gets boring too quickly.
Rectilinear wide angle 14-16mm ... does not have the curvature ... just enough wideness.

The focal lens are based on 1.5x crop factor.

Garbz · 07-04-2009, 07:32 PM

What do you like Tweaker, afterall you're in the market, not us

I like the 10-20mm range on a 1.5x camera.

Dao · 07-04-2009, 10:54 PM

Are you using a DX sensor camera or a 35mm film/ FX type camera?

I use 17mm with the 17-50mm F/2.8 for wide angle shots. If I want a little wider, I use the 14mm F/2.8.

Why, because it has the focal length I need.

**Tweaker** · 07-05-2009, 07:15 AM

I have been looking at the Sigma 10-20. I shoot a D90.

Zach

Dao · 07-05-2009, 10:33 AM

Just for your information, there is a new version of 10-20mm lens from Sigma.

Yes, the 10-20mm lens is nice. I always want to get one whenever I visit this site 10-20mm.com

**Tweaker** · 07-09-2009, 12:45 PM

Anybody have any luck with the Tokina Pro DX 12-24 F4 ??

**Tweaker** · 01-10-2010, 09:49 AM

Well to bring this back up,,, I have made a purchase. Tokina 11-16 f2.8. I really haven't had a chance to get out and play with it yet, But from just messing around with it I'm very happy.

Zach

krisb23 · 01-15-2010, 01:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Dao

Just for your information, there is a new version of 10-20mm lens from Sigma.

Yes, the 10-20mm lens is nice. I always want to get one whenever I visit this site 10-20mm.com

Oh my gosh - those pics on that site are amazing and now I totally want to get that lens...it's pretty steep though - like $650. I'm still trying to figure out my versatile lens purchase...24-70mm?

icassell · 01-15-2010, 01:27 PM

I love my Sigma 10-20. Mine is the f/4-5.6 version which I bought before the f/3.5 version came out and it has never been too slow for me. I've heard some say that it's actually a sharper lens. It's $479 at Amazon -- considerably less than the faster version.

Amazon

brianT · 01-15-2010, 01:49 PM

I have the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6. It's a great lens-- decently sharp. The geometry distortion bugs me sometimes so I end up fixing it in post.

I think the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 is better though. Actually, I have no need for a wide angle to have any zoom function. A 10mm prime would probably deliver better image quality and would be less expensive to buy. With my Sigma, most of the shots are at 10mm anyway.

Because I use the wide angle lens for mostly landscape I usually shoot at around f/11 or f/16. At f/4 the bokeh is very ugly in my opinion but I suppose it's not the way a wide angle is supposed to be used.

icassell · 01-15-2010, 02:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by brianT

I have the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6. It's a great lens-- decently sharp. The geometry distortion bugs me sometimes so I end up fixing it in post..

That's more a function of focal length than the particular lens.

icassell · 01-15-2010, 02:09 PM

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 @ 10mm:

**AliasPros** · 01-15-2010, 02:10 PM

I have the sigma 10-20 also and love it... also have the 15mm Canon 2.8 and just picked up the 20mm USM canon... Ooooh the suspense and waiting from BHphoto!!!

ALIAS

R6_Dude · 01-26-2010, 05:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by brianT

I have the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6. It's a great lens-- decently sharp. The geometry distortion bugs me sometimes so I end up fixing it in post.

I think the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 is better though. Actually, I have no need for a wide angle to have any zoom function. A 10mm prime would probably deliver better image quality and would be less expensive to buy. With my Sigma, most of the shots are at 10mm anyway.

Because I use the wide angle lens for mostly landscape I usually shoot at around f/11 or f/16. At f/4 the bokeh is very ugly in my opinion but I suppose it's not the way a wide angle is supposed to be used.

Thats a very good point. I mean...the reason one would even buy a UWA is for just that UWA. However, I don't think Canon makes a non fisheye version.

I just read (through a search from tpf) off a site www.juzaphoto.com which compared all the UWA (tamron, tokina, sigma, canon) and the sigma came out on top for value. Obviously the Canon wins it all, but by a slight margin.

Now i'm confused, Sigma or spend the extra 150-200 for a Canon...

07-03-2009, 07:19 PM	#1
Tweaker No longer a newbie, moving up! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hocking Hills, Ohio Posts: 57 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Wide Angle......Whats good and bad. Im in the Market for a wide angle and would like to know what you guys like and why? Zach

07-03-2009, 08:05 PM	#2
dxqcanada TPF Junkie! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,006 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Extreme wide angle <14mm ... too much curvature ... distortion get detracting. Fish eye ... circular image ... lens gets boring too quickly. Rectilinear wide angle 14-16mm ... does not have the curvature ... just enough wideness. The focal lens are based on 1.5x crop factor. __________________ . Panasonic FX-35/Canon nF-1/Canon T-90/Sony Alpha a100/Bronica SQ-A/Yashica-A Photography is about mentally visualizing what you see/sense ... then having the technical ability to reproduce a print/image that reflects that mental vision. My Website Silvano Colour Lab Dunnaggan MIR

07-04-2009, 07:32 PM	#3
Garbz TPF Junkie! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 7,478 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 82 Times in 78 Posts My Gallery: (0)	What do you like Tweaker, afterall you're in the market, not us I like the 10-20mm range on a 1.5x camera. __________________ "I am always satisfied with the best." -Oscar Wilde Larger versions always on flickr Best photos in my gallery Proud Supporter of The Pact

01-10-2010, 09:49 AM	#8
Tweaker No longer a newbie, moving up! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hocking Hills, Ohio Posts: 57 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Well to bring this back up,,, I have made a purchase. Tokina 11-16 f2.8. I really haven't had a chance to get out and play with it yet, But from just messing around with it I'm very happy. Zach __________________ D90 Nikon 18-105 3.5-5.6 VR Nikon 50 1.8 Tokina 11-16 2.8 Tamron 70-200 2.8 Tamron 200-400 5.6 Tamron 28-300 3.5-6.3 Promaster 7500EDF

01-15-2010, 01:27 PM	#10
icassell TPF Junkie! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,499 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 53 Times in 51 Posts My Gallery: (3)	I love my Sigma 10-20. Mine is the f/4-5.6 version which I bought before the f/3.5 version came out and it has never been too slow for me. I've heard some say that it's actually a sharper lens. It's $479 at Amazon -- considerably less than the faster version. Amazon Amazon __________________ Ian Digital: Canon EOS 7D, Canon EOS 30D, Sigma 10-20mm EX f/4.5-5.6, Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8, Canon 50mm f/1.8 Mark I, Sigma 50-150mm EX f/2.8, Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Sigma 100-300mm EX f/4, Sigma 1.4X & 2X EX TC, Canon 430EX, Bogen 3021 Tripod/Gitzo 1377M Ballhead, Misc. Other Gizmos and Gadgets 35mm: Minolta XD-11, Rokkor X 24mm f/2.8MD, Rokkor X 35mm f/1.8MD, Rokkor X 50mm f/1.4MD, Rokkor X 50mm Macro, Soligor 135mm MC, Rokkor X 300mm f/5.6MD, Vivitar 2X TC, Vivitar 283 MY PHOTOGRAPHS "If I have seen further , it is by standing on ye shoulders of giants." -- Sir Isaac Newton in a letter to Robert Hooke 15 February 1676 (... and a long telephoto doesn't hurt either ...)

07-04-2009, 10:54 PM	#4
Dao TPF Junkie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,415 Thanked 47 Times in 44 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Are you using a DX sensor camera or a 35mm film/ FX type camera? I use 17mm with the 17-50mm F/2.8 for wide angle shots. If I want a little wider, I use the 14mm F/2.8. Why, because it has the focal length I need.

07-05-2009, 07:15 AM	#5
Tweaker No longer a newbie, moving up! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hocking Hills, Ohio Posts: 57 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Gallery: (0)	I have been looking at the Sigma 10-20. I shoot a D90. Zach

07-05-2009, 10:33 AM	#6
Dao TPF Junkie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,415 Thanked 47 Times in 44 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Just for your information, there is a new version of 10-20mm lens from Sigma. Yes, the 10-20mm lens is nice. I always want to get one whenever I visit this site 10-20mm.com

07-09-2009, 12:45 PM	#7
Tweaker No longer a newbie, moving up! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hocking Hills, Ohio Posts: 57 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Anybody have any luck with the Tokina Pro DX 12-24 F4 ??

01-15-2010, 01:24 PM	#9
krisb23 TPF Noob! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 9 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by Dao Just for your information, there is a new version of 10-20mm lens from Sigma. Yes, the 10-20mm lens is nice. I always want to get one whenever I visit this site 10-20mm.com Oh my gosh - those pics on that site are amazing and now I totally want to get that lens...it's pretty steep though - like $650. I'm still trying to figure out my versatile lens purchase...24-70mm?

01-15-2010, 01:49 PM	#11
brianT No longer a newbie, moving up! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 78 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts My Gallery: (0)	I have the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6. It's a great lens-- decently sharp. The geometry distortion bugs me sometimes so I end up fixing it in post. I think the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 is better though. Actually, I have no need for a wide angle to have any zoom function. A 10mm prime would probably deliver better image quality and would be less expensive to buy. With my Sigma, most of the shots are at 10mm anyway. Because I use the wide angle lens for mostly landscape I usually shoot at around f/11 or f/16. At f/4 the bokeh is very ugly in my opinion but I suppose it's not the way a wide angle is supposed to be used. __________________ www.briantolin.com Nikon D90 --- Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G VRII --- Nikkor 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G VR --- Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 --- Nikon SB-600 --- Tripod: Velbon VGB-3

01-15-2010, 02:03 PM	#12
icassell TPF Junkie! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,499 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 53 Times in 51 Posts My Gallery: (3)	Quote: Originally Posted by brianT I have the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6. It's a great lens-- decently sharp. The geometry distortion bugs me sometimes so I end up fixing it in post.. That's more a function of focal length than the particular lens. __________________ Ian Digital: Canon EOS 7D, Canon EOS 30D, Sigma 10-20mm EX f/4.5-5.6, Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8, Canon 50mm f/1.8 Mark I, Sigma 50-150mm EX f/2.8, Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Sigma 100-300mm EX f/4, Sigma 1.4X & 2X EX TC, Canon 430EX, Bogen 3021 Tripod/Gitzo 1377M Ballhead, Misc. Other Gizmos and Gadgets 35mm: Minolta XD-11, Rokkor X 24mm f/2.8MD, Rokkor X 35mm f/1.8MD, Rokkor X 50mm f/1.4MD, Rokkor X 50mm Macro, Soligor 135mm MC, Rokkor X 300mm f/5.6MD, Vivitar 2X TC, Vivitar 283 MY PHOTOGRAPHS "If I have seen further , it is by standing on ye shoulders of giants." -- Sir Isaac Newton in a letter to Robert Hooke 15 February 1676 (... and a long telephoto doesn't hurt either ...)

01-15-2010, 02:09 PM	#13
icassell TPF Junkie! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,499 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 53 Times in 51 Posts My Gallery: (3)	Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 @ 10mm: __________________ Ian Digital: Canon EOS 7D, Canon EOS 30D, Sigma 10-20mm EX f/4.5-5.6, Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8, Canon 50mm f/1.8 Mark I, Sigma 50-150mm EX f/2.8, Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Sigma 100-300mm EX f/4, Sigma 1.4X & 2X EX TC, Canon 430EX, Bogen 3021 Tripod/Gitzo 1377M Ballhead, Misc. Other Gizmos and Gadgets 35mm: Minolta XD-11, Rokkor X 24mm f/2.8MD, Rokkor X 35mm f/1.8MD, Rokkor X 50mm f/1.4MD, Rokkor X 50mm Macro, Soligor 135mm MC, Rokkor X 300mm f/5.6MD, Vivitar 2X TC, Vivitar 283 MY PHOTOGRAPHS "If I have seen further , it is by standing on ye shoulders of giants." -- Sir Isaac Newton in a letter to Robert Hooke 15 February 1676 (... and a long telephoto doesn't hurt either ...)

01-15-2010, 02:10 PM	#14
AliasPros I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Central Coast CA Posts: 269 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post My Gallery: (0)	I have the sigma 10-20 also and love it... also have the 15mm Canon 2.8 and just picked up the 20mm USM canon... Ooooh the suspense and waiting from BHphoto!!! ALIAS __________________ "ALIAS" Gripped Bodies: 1D Mark II, 5D Mark II, Rebel XTI (18-55mm Kit), Elan 7NE, Rebel T2 (28-90mm Kit), Nikon F3 Motor Drive (Nikkor 35MM f/2, Vivitar 70-210mm f/3.5, Vivitar 600mm f/8) Glass Line-up: 15mm f/2.8 fisheye, 20mm f/2.8 USM, 50mm f/1.4 USM, two 50mm f/1.8 II, 100mm f/2 USM,100mm f/2 USM, 135mm f/2L, 17-40mm f/4L, 20-35mm f/2.8L, 24-105 f/4L, 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II, USM, 70-200mm f/2.8L, Sigma 10-20mm f/4.5 HSM, Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 Macro, Sigma 120-400mm f/4.5-5.6 OS HSM, Accessories: 430EX II Speedlights, 580EX II Speedlight, Gary Fong Cloud Diffuser, Extension Tube EF 12 II, Lensbaby Control Freak, CB Junior Flash Bracket & Ziekos Off-camera TTL Shoe Cord Editing: CS4 & Light Room Coming Soon: A good Tripod, 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

01-26-2010, 05:22 PM	#15
R6_Dude Been spending a lot of time on here! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 143 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by brianT I have the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6. It's a great lens-- decently sharp. The geometry distortion bugs me sometimes so I end up fixing it in post. I think the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 is better though. Actually, I have no need for a wide angle to have any zoom function. A 10mm prime would probably deliver better image quality and would be less expensive to buy. With my Sigma, most of the shots are at 10mm anyway. Because I use the wide angle lens for mostly landscape I usually shoot at around f/11 or f/16. At f/4 the bokeh is very ugly in my opinion but I suppose it's not the way a wide angle is supposed to be used. Thats a very good point. I mean...the reason one would even buy a UWA is for just that UWA. However, I don't think Canon makes a non fisheye version. I just read (through a search from tpf) off a site www.juzaphoto.com which compared all the UWA (tamron, tokina, sigma, canon) and the sigma came out on top for value. Obviously the Canon wins it all, but by a slight margin. Now i'm confused, Sigma or spend the extra 150-200 for a Canon...

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