Macro insects - help needed

**Overread** · 08-01-2008 05:10 PM

I have recently been working on my macro skills and would like some advice on my technique and ideas for developing my skills further - so any advice is very welcome.

Photos:
Taken with canon 400D+speedlite 580M2 (without diffuser) + sigma 150mm f2.8 macro + sigma 2* teleconverter

Methodology:
All hand held results, though often I am not standing but crouching on the floor - so some added stability there. I set the lens to 1:1 macro and manual focusing so it stays there and then go hunting - so far I have found it very hard/impossible to get a full insect into 1:1 macro focusing and have considered moving out to 1:2 macro and further to get more insect into a shot - unless others can tell me that one can get the average insect into 1:1 macro. I also tend to shoot either in the high parts of the day (lots of bright light out then) or closer to evenings, but would move to morning shooting more if I could get out of bed earlier

- for those slower morning insects.

f13, ISO 100, 1/100sec
larger:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3312/...791d7232_o.jpg

f13, ISO 400, 1/40sec
larger:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3103/...47720af2_o.jpg

So far these two shots have been my apex results that I have managed to get.

Any advice, comments and crits are welcome - thank you

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**icassell** · 08-01-2008 05:24 PM

Very nice macros, but I tend to prefer them with deeper DOF. You might also consider adding a diffuser -- look at Daan's bug images with his lumiquest softbox.

Do you really need the 2X TC with that lens? I have a 100mm macro and have never tried it with the TC.

**Overread** · 08-01-2008 05:29 PM

Thanks

I like the TC for the softness it helps add in the background (though I have a feeling I am losing my depth of field though!) - I got very used to my 70-300mm macros 300mm soft

As for the lumiquest its definatly (for the same reasons) something I have consdiered and debated about and am almost certain to go for one - once I have cash

**icassell** · 08-01-2008 05:36 PM

The problem with a TC is that it might also add softness where you don't want it (although that doesn't seem to be a problem with these images). You might try side-side comparisons with it and without it (maybe on a flower -- they keep still). I have the Sigma 1.4X and the 2X, but I only use them if I really feel I need them (and have never tried them on a macro).

I bought a lumiquest last week, but haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Do you know what f-stop you shot these at?

**Overread** · 08-01-2008 05:41 PM

f13 - I found that a wider aperture was rapidly losing me working light (and also on the go flexability) and I don't really want to boost ISO much as I find it adds a lot of noise quite rapidly to macro work.
I think if I had a closer flash (one of those lens mounted ones) I would be able to take the aperture wider - and I might try again with f16 and see what I can get
f16 and ISO 200 should not be too bad

**icassell** · 08-01-2008 05:43 PM

Well I think @ f13, your DOF without the TC would have been fine (or it would have been with my 100mm macro, anyway). Remember you also lose 2 stops of light with that 2X TC and light is your friend. As you push the lens to it's smallest aperture you will lose sharpness too.

**Overread** · 08-01-2008 05:46 PM

true - I hope to get out and get my 1.4TC picked up at some point - that might prove to be more of a happy meduim to work with - though granted with 150mm at normal I do have a good working distance to start with

**icassell** · 08-01-2008 05:48 PM

I shoot all my macros with my Canon 100mm f2.8 and no TC and have found that I am able to get close enough (and my off-camera 430EX gives me enough light). Now if you don't want to breathe down the bug's throat, that's another story

This guy was done before I bought my 430EX with on-camera flash fill.

BTW I bought both my 2X and my 1.4x on ebay for very good prices in mint condition -- there are always some listed.

**Overread** · 08-01-2008 05:53 PM

I think its the fact that I have been doing this for only 2 weeks so far that I am reluctant to sacrifce my working distance as I do lack the general experince of stalking insects

and I think the MPE-65 lets you do that breathing thing

**icassell** · 08-01-2008 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Overread

I think its the fact that I have been doing this for only 2 weeks so far that I am reluctant to sacrifce my working distance as I do lack the general experince of stalking insects

and I think the MPE-65 lets you do that breathing thing

Breathing? Oh ... I forgot ... :P

What's an MPE-65?

**icassell** · 08-01-2008 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by icassell

What's an MPE-65?

NM -- that's the cool dedicated macro .... maybe some day

http://www.vividlight.com/articles/2914.htm

**Overread** · 08-01-2008 05:59 PM

The only macro that can go to 5 times lifsize!
http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Prod...acro/index.asp
and also apparently the hardest lens to use - a fully dedicated macro lens (no af and it won't do anything but macro).

I agree with you on the someday

**icassell** · 08-01-2008 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Overread

The only macro that can go to 5 times lifsize!

Well, I believe you can put your sigma or my canon on a bellows and get the 5X

**Overread** · 08-01-2008 06:18 PM

true - but that is with accessories - the mpe is 5times alone (just think of how close you could get with one with a bellows - 10 times??

**icassell** · 08-01-2008 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Overread

true - but that is with accessories - the mpe is 5times alone (just think of how close you could get with one with a bellows - 10 times??

What does a fly's bellybutton look like?

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