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RAW v JPEG : A Shootout Challenge.
OK, so my schedule today got shot out of the water, so I'm bouncing off the walls looking for something constructive to do.
So I came up with this "Shootout" challenge: RAW v JPEG....White Balance.
To demonstrate the difference between shooting RAW and JPEG, I set up a little experiment I'd like you to participate in. I set up my D7k to RAW + Jpeg/Fine/Large and took the following shot. White balance was set to Incandescent, and I included a gray card for testing purposes. No editing has been done to this image other than resize it so it uploaded to PhotoBucket quicker:

I then changed the white balance in the camera to Direct Sunlight. This obviously will produce a terrible yellow image, which looks like this:

I then loaded the NEF image with the incorrect white balance into NX2, and corrected the white balance. This is the result:

I'll put the Control image and the NEF Corrected White Balance images side-by-side so you can compare them:


The challenge I offer (for anyone who wants to try it) is to take the full-size JPEG image with the incorrect white balance and try to correct it, producing an image with the same color quality and depth as the Jpeg shot with the correct white balance.
The full-size incorrect white-balance JPEG can be seen & downloaded here. To give you the equivalent full-size control image (the first one in this post), click here. In other words, try to make the first linked image look like the second linked one. Let's see if anyone can accomplish this, and if so, hopefully they'll share their PP method.
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My toys: Nikon D60 & gripped D7000: Nikkor 10.5 fisheye, 10-24, 18-105, 70-300, 105 Micro: Tokina 500: Sigma 600: Celestron 2000: auto macro tube set: SB600: Manfrotto 055XB/390RC2 & 560B-1: Gossen Starlite: Easy-Up AP1500: 40' WonderPole
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09-06-2011 09:23 AM
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Wow? Not takers?
Has anyone even tried?
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My toys: Nikon D60 & gripped D7000: Nikkor 10.5 fisheye, 10-24, 18-105, 70-300, 105 Micro: Tokina 500: Sigma 600: Celestron 2000: auto macro tube set: SB600: Manfrotto 055XB/390RC2 & 560B-1: Gossen Starlite: Easy-Up AP1500: 40' WonderPole
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This is the best I could do. Contrast increase is unavoidable. Used smart sharpen (color balance makes the picture murky), color balance (increase magenta slightly in highlights and midtones, increase blues in midtones and shadows, increase red and yellow slightly in highlights), vibrance (desaturated) and curves (to remove murkiness in the blown out part). Is this good enough (I didn't bother downloading the full size image)?
Last edited by EchoingWhisper; 09-14-2011 at 10:24 PM.
Call me Michael.
Nikon D5100 | AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G DX | AF-S NIKKOR 55-200mm 1:4-5.6G ED DX | AF-S NIKKOR 50mm 1:1.8G
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Here is the animated GIF for the changes:

Here is the animated GIF for the difference between the NEF and mine:
Call me Michael.
Nikon D5100 | AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G DX | AF-S NIKKOR 55-200mm 1:4-5.6G ED DX | AF-S NIKKOR 50mm 1:1.8G
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No longer a newbie, moving up!
Raw Vs jpeg. You are using only jpegs to get the white balance the same as the first image? I would think that using a raw file to change the white balance and saving it as a jpeg is cheating.
"every time I think my work is hot ship I see something that blows mine away!"


I realized people can critic away at my photos for better or worse I welcome it.
What knocks the wind out of my sails is seeing what looks to me a better photo.
In my opinion It is much due to a matter of taste and being satisfied with ones own work.
I still love taking photos
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Originally Posted by
addicted2glass
Raw Vs jpeg. You are using only jpegs to get the white balance the same as the first image? I would think that using a raw file to change the white balance and saving it as a jpeg is cheating.
The challenge is to take the incorrect white balance JPEG and get an image that's close to the correct white balance JPEG. The idea is to show why shooting raw can be a much better option. If you took an entire photo shoot (say, a kid's birthday party or football game) at the wrong white balance and you shot only JPEG, you can end up with some serious headaches. Shooting raw allows you to correct the problem, in post, with a simple click.
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My toys: Nikon D60 & gripped D7000: Nikkor 10.5 fisheye, 10-24, 18-105, 70-300, 105 Micro: Tokina 500: Sigma 600: Celestron 2000: auto macro tube set: SB600: Manfrotto 055XB/390RC2 & 560B-1: Gossen Starlite: Easy-Up AP1500: 40' WonderPole
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Yes it is a headache and will be one. It is possible to repair the white balance but repairing 1000 photos is crazy.
Call me Michael.
Nikon D5100 | AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G DX | AF-S NIKKOR 55-200mm 1:4-5.6G ED DX | AF-S NIKKOR 50mm 1:1.8G
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I would really want to see how others fix this.
Call me Michael.
Nikon D5100 | AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G DX | AF-S NIKKOR 55-200mm 1:4-5.6G ED DX | AF-S NIKKOR 50mm 1:1.8G
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No longer a newbie, moving up!
I'm new at raw and still learning, when I get the shot to look the way I think looks the best that's when I switch it over to jpeg.
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Originally Posted by
xzoup
I'm new at raw and still learning, when I get the shot to look the way I think looks the best that's when I switch it over to jpeg.
It already is a jpeg.
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My toys: Nikon D60 & gripped D7000: Nikkor 10.5 fisheye, 10-24, 18-105, 70-300, 105 Micro: Tokina 500: Sigma 600: Celestron 2000: auto macro tube set: SB600: Manfrotto 055XB/390RC2 & 560B-1: Gossen Starlite: Easy-Up AP1500: 40' WonderPole
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No longer a newbie, moving up!

i cheated by selecting areas and adjusting colors,
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I spend too much of my life on TPF!
No go. The floor is blue, not white.
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No longer a newbie, moving up!
A better way to understand Jpeg vs Raw and to slove it,
JPEG vs RAW – Let’s Settle it With a Single Example:
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No longer a newbie, moving up!

Originally Posted by
EchoingWhisper
Here is the animated GIF for the changes:
Here is the animated GIF for the difference between the NEF and mine:

quite interesting

woody
nikon d3100, 18-55 kit lens, 55-300 vr zoom lens, 50 f/1.8, tamron 17-50 f2.8, sb 400