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    Homless Shelter wants Photographer with no Ethics?

    So I found a volunteer position at a local shelter, I've actually seen this position advertised for some time and had considered it in the past. My wife kind of insisted that I reply, and so I did.

    In my letter I told them that I was willing to do it, but only if I represented the subjects as individuals, rather than using their image to represent their social status. In other words, I wasn't will to make Poverty Porn for them to exploit. A pretty simple request from an organization that is supposed to be helping people get off the streets.

    Two weeks later, no reply.

    Do you think I should push for this, or just assume I'm not the photographer for the job?
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    I would say they are wanting images that will make people put their hands in their pocket
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    A) whoever read your letter probably has no idea what you were talking about. B) They just want pictures that will bring donations. They don't give a crap otherwise. C) whatever they interpreted your comments to mean, they probably just took them as you being difficult. They were probably just thinking "we just want somebody who is going to take the dang photos."
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    Sometimes I forget to tell people I like their photos when I do C+C. If I gave you comments, I liked your photo. I don't bother with pictures I don't like at all most of the time.

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    ^^ ok. sure.

    but for crying out loud, it's unpaid work that has been advertised for over a year now!! if they want to be choosy, they should hire someone, but I'm not going to donate my time to a project I don't agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unpopular View Post
    ^^ ok. sure.

    but for crying out loud, it's unpaid work that has been advertised for over a year now!! if they want to be choosy, they should hire someone, but I'm not going to donate my time to a project I don't agree with.
    I can tell you administrators in non-profits hate volunteers with demands more than anything else. Mostly because they think it makes their job harder. Whoever is reading your letter probably just thought "Jesus, I don't need to deal with and consider whether or not these pictures are representing these people as individuals or exploiting the nature of their social class, I don't even know what that means. I just want some pictures to put up, but heck if I'm dealing with this guy."

    Not saying that's right, but from knowing people who run NPO's, that's how they think about any volunteers who come with stipulations. Heck, they barely want to take donations with stipulations, if those stipulations make their job harder (or even if they think it possibly might).
    Sometimes I forget to tell people I like their photos when I do C+C. If I gave you comments, I liked your photo. I don't bother with pictures I don't like at all most of the time.

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    Was I so wrong then? It seems to me that I should have the principle of least interest here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unpopular View Post
    Was I so wrong then? It seems to me that I should have the principle of least interest here.
    No, by no means were you wrong. You stated what you believed. If they want you they'll let you know. Otherwise they'll probably wait until some college kid who 'like totally saw all these cool homeless pics' applies and they'll exploit the college kid and the homeless people in order to raise money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unpopular View Post
    So I found a volunteer position at a local shelter, I've actually seen this position advertised for some time and had considered it in the past. My wife kind of insisted that I reply, and so I did.

    In my letter I told them that I was willing to do it, but only if I represented the subjects as individuals, rather than using their image to represent their social status. In other words, I wasn't will to make Poverty Porn for them to exploit. A pretty simple request from an organization that is supposed to be helping people get off the streets.

    Two weeks later, no reply.

    Do you think I should push for this, or just assume I'm not the photographer for the job?
    Did you actually go talk to anyone about what the position actually entailed before sending this message? or did you assume what it entailed?
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    Any time that you're taking photos of homeless people you can choose to photograph their economic status or themeselves as individuals. So no matter what was entailed, if it involved photographing homeless individuals and families (which according to the ad it was) I think my concerns were legitimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unpopular
    Any time that you're taking photos of homeless people you can choose to photograph their economic status or themeselves as individuals. So no matter what was entailed, if it involved photographing homeless individuals and families (which according to the ad it was) I think my concerns were legitimate.
    Rest assured your conscious is clean and will be able to sleep. You know what, to the hell with them. I say make dozen sandwiches, case of bottled water; then do your own photoshoot then pass the food out for a job well done.....boooyah!!
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    I've spoken with the homeless around here, and the particular shelter doesn't seem to be very good. One family was attending parenting classes which ended at 8:00 and often times ran over a little. By the time they packed up their three kids, it was often 8:30, and if they didn't get there before 9:00pm they risked eviction - for attending parenting classes!

    I've been weary of this job, and I think for good reason.
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    I think your concerns are well-founded and I agree; walk away. I have a sneaking suspicion that perhaps this shelter either wants more, or is in danger of losing government (or other) grants which it uses for its oeprating buget, and someone felt that one of those "Christian Children's Fund" campaigns would help things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unpopular View Post
    ... photograph their economic status or themeselves as individuals.
    Tell me how these two photos would be different. I'm not really sure what you mean.

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    You probably got no response, as others have stated, because you showed potential for being difficult. Also, they are in the business of helping the needy. They need to illustrate what they do in order to get support from people. I am sorry, but showing me a bunch of pictures of people smiling, and having a grand ole time without any reference to economic status, doesn't scream to me "I need help." As a photographer, you should know the importance of story telling in your photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GooniesNeverSayDie11 View Post
    You probably got no response, as others have stated, because you showed potential for being difficult. Also, they are in the business of helping the needy. They need to illustrate what they do in order to get support from people. I am sorry, but showing me a bunch of pictures of people smiling, and having a grand ole time without any reference to economic status, doesn't scream to me "I need help." As a photographer, you should know the importance of story telling in your photos.
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    ... photograph their economic status or themeselves as individuals.
    Tell me how these two photos would be different. I'm not really sure what you mean.
    There is a difference between telling their story honestly, and there is poverty porn. Poverty porn says nothing at all about a person aside from the fact that they are homeless. It's those black and whit epictures of homeless people, taken from half a block away using a telephoto lens. The intention it to say "this is homelessness" without any consideration to who they are as people.

    It's like photographing a Mexican family for the sake of the fact that they are Mexican, or a Black family for the sake of the fact that they are Black - and seek to represent all Black people and all Mexicans through these images.

    If they were looking for "I need help" that's fine. But I am not going to use an individual to say "We need help". If the shelter cannot understand or appreciate this, then it shows a lack of compassion and understanding for the individuals they help. If they see me as problematic, then I'm OK with that.
    75% of the internet is wrong. The rest is pornography.

 

 
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