Lenses for the Canon 500d

[Mindy]

I am learning so much! I have ordered three books from Amazon on photography that were recommended from here, and have been searching/reading here and also the Internet. I don't have a dSLR camera just yet and I am looking at the Canon EOS Rebel T1i 500d without the kit lens. I want to get an EF-S 18-200mm lens or thereabouts. But I have some questions about lenses. I can't resist asking questions if you don't mind!

I've reviewed the 450d because I assume that compatibility with 450d will be similar to the 500d. i.e., body is plastic, dimensions and weight are the same, etc.

I understand EF and EF-S is the mount for the lens. I have only seen one 18-200mm lens and it is a Canon and an EF-S. I really can't get a good feel about lens compatability from all that I have read. What do you think of the Canon lenses? If a camera is an EF EF-S, then is it limited to only those lenses? What are the good brands of lenses I should be looking at?

Thanks so much.

[flyin-lowe]

I am a total Newb myself and probably the last one that should be answering a question but I thought the reason that you see the "S" (EF/ EF-S) is for image stabilization. I THINK (and I could be wrong) that the EF-S will be will have image stabilization and the EF won't.
If Im wrong I guess we can learn together.

[Overread]

Cameras that have an EFS mount are crop sensor cameras- that means that the image sensor in the camera is smaller than that of an older film 35mm camera (which is called full frame in the digital world).
EF lenses are made for 35mm sensors - full frame cameras, but willl also work just as well on a crop sensor camera as the outer areas of the captured image (though the lens) is cropped of and not used - you don't even see this through the viewfinder.
EFS lenses are made for crop sensor cameras only - that means they contain less glass as they don't include there ares that are normally cropped off by the crop sensor cameras - thus they are generally lighter (less glass). Further they will not fit onto full frame cameras - if they were to do so then the captured image would have a lot of vignetting (shadows round the edges of the image) where there is no glass to give any light.

EFS lenses come in all sorts and some are very high quality bits of glass, but non are L standard (canon lable for top range) because canon reserve that lable for fullframe lenses only.
WIKI - with illustrations:
Crop factor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for your situation I would get the kit lens with the 500D camera and learn to use that first - get a feell for things and a lens to give you a grounding before moving on. An 18-200mm lens is very versatile, bit its image quality is poor since it has a lot of focal range to move though from 18mm to 200mm which means lesser performance than shorter zoom or even prime lenses that cover similar focal lengths.

EFS lenses do not have image stabalization - for canon lenses that is indecated by the lable "IS" (image stabalization) in the full name of the lens. Such as Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM
Note also that f4-5.6 means that the minimum aperture (smallest f number) goes from f4 at the 17mm end to f5.6 at the 85mm end -- you cannot thus have f4 at the 85mm end.
Also USM - Ultra Sconic Motor - is an auto focus motor normally much quieter than regular focusing motors which also allows you to use manual focusing without having to turn the auto focus off (though it will not work if you have auto focus set to a continuous tracking mode since then the AF is always correcting the focus to what the camera wants)

[rufus5150]

All Canon SLRs are compatible with their EF mount lenses. This includes the coveted 'L'-glass which is their luxury or professional glass. They feature much more solid build quality, they're durable as hell, many of them water-sealed (this doesn't help on much beyond the 1D series bodies, though), they autofucus incredibly fast and they mostly very heavy. One very good general walk-around L (the 17-40mm) is priced at $700 which is incredible for the type of glass you get.

The 1.6-factor crop-sensor cameras (xxD and xxxD, except the 10D) will also accept their EF-S mount. The EF-S lenses will not work on the 5D, or the 1D series. The EF-S lenses, by and large, are consumer to high-end consumer lenses. They vary in quality but the range has some exceptional lenses. They have a lot of plastic in the builds so they're not as durable. Of the EF-S, I've heard good things about the 17-55MM 2.8 IS, the 10-20mm and the 60mm Macro.

Beyond their kit lenses, most Canon lenses range from decent performer to amazing lens. Other brands to consider are Sigma, Tokina and Tamron. I can't comment first-hand on the latter three, but I do know people who use Simga and Tamron glass and are happy with their results.

Personally, I would hestitate buying something that encompases such a long range such as 18-200. Especially in a consumer grade lens, you're going to find that the ends generally have to give a lot in terms of image quality for a lens to encompass that same range.

You can view Canon's entire linup of lenses here:

Canon EOS SLR Camera Systems

Most searches on Amazon will give you plenty of reviews of each of those lenses.

[Mindy]

Quote: Originally Posted by rufus5150

All Canon SLRs are compatible with their EF mount lenses. This includes the coveted 'L'-glass which is their luxury or professional glass. They feature much more solid build quality, they're durable as hell, many of them water-sealed (this doesn't help on much beyond the 1D series bodies, though), they autofucus incredibly fast and they mostly very heavy. One very good general walk-around L (the 17-40mm) is priced at $700 which is incredible for the type of glass you get.

The 1.6-factor crop-sensor cameras (xxD and xxxD, except the 10D) will also accept their EF-S mount. The EF-S lenses will not work on the 5D, or the 1D series. The EF-S lenses, by and large, are consumer to high-end consumer lenses. They vary in quality but the range has some exceptional lenses. They have a lot of plastic in the builds so they're not as durable. Of the EF-S, I've heard good things about the 17-55MM 2.8 IS, the 10-20mm and the 60mm Macro.

Beyond their kit lenses, most Canon lenses range from decent performer to amazing lens. Other brands to consider are Sigma, Tokina and Tamron. I can't comment first-hand on the latter three, but I do know people who use Simga and Tamron glass and are happy with their results.

Personally, I would hestitate buying something that encompases such a long range such as 18-200. Especially in a consumer grade lens, you're going to find that the ends generally have to give a lot in terms of image quality for a lens to encompass that same range.

You can view Canon's entire linup of lenses here:

Canon EOS SLR Camera Systems

Most searches on Amazon will give you plenty of reviews of each of those lenses.

Yes I've been reading the reviews on Amazon, but as far as other lenses I didn't know what to look for. The 18-200mm lens on Canon's website didn't get very good reviews (or was it some place else?). The reason why I want a lens like this is because I am interested in taking photos outdoors of nature like animals and birds. It's difficult to get them up close you know.

So it sounds like I should keep the EF lenses in mind. I wanted to get large coverage all in one lens thinking it would save me money in the end and not get the kit lens. So perhaps I shall wait until later to get a telephoto lens.

Thanks

[Mindy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Overread

As for your situation I would get the kit lens with the 500D camera and learn to use that first - get a feell for things and a lens to give you a grounding before moving on. An 18-200mm lens is very versatile, bit its image quality is poor since it has a lot of focal range to move though from 18mm to 200mm which means lesser performance than shorter zoom or even prime lenses that cover similar focal lengths.

EFS lenses do not have image stabalization - for canon lenses that is indecated by the lable "IS" (image stabalization) in the full name of the lens. Such as Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM
Note also that f4-5.6 means that the minimum aperture (smallest f number) goes from f4 at the 17mm end to f5.6 at the 85mm end -- you cannot thus have f4 at the 85mm end.
Also USM - Ultra Sconic Motor - is an auto focus motor normally much quieter than regular focusing motors which also allows you to use manual focusing without having to turn the auto focus off (though it will not work if you have auto focus set to a continuous tracking mode since then the AF is always correcting the focus to what the camera wants)

I'm confused. You say EF-S lenses don't have IS? The kit lens for the 500d is an EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS. Doesn't that mean it does have image stabilation?

Also, if I want to shoot out of doors, I would think I'd need another lens. Perhaps I ought to get two lenses: the kit lens and another lens like a 55-? or a 70-? for telephoto.

Thanks.

[Overread]

if wildlife is your intent then you need to be looking at 300mm lenses - the 70-300mm lenses are generally poorer (again its a long zoom coverage) but they are good learner lenses and some are not impossible to use in good light and stopped down to around f8.

However too much of this is going to need you to have some grounding in the hobby before terms start making real world sense to you. Honestly I would get the camera and its kit lens and then look at something like:
Canon 70-300mm lens - more expensive than many but decent quality
Sigma 70-300mm APO macro - make sure its the later APO edition of the lens.

Either of those would give you the ranges to start playing around and finding things out for yourself without breaking your bank balance. From then you can start to get a feel for how different focal lengths work/ how the gear works/ what your needs are as a photographer (basically what your shooting style is)/ how much you are willing to get into the hobby (small cars cost less than some lenses).

Until you have that grounding in things too many choices that you have to make on getting good kit are going to be hard to understand and put into real world context

[Overread]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mindy

I'm confused. You say EF-S lenses don't have IS? The kit lens for the 500d is an EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS. Doesn't that mean it does have image stabilation?

Also, if I want to shoot out of doors, I would think I'd need another lens. Perhaps I ought to get two lenses: the kit lens and another lens like a 55-? or a 70-? for telephoto.

Thanks.

Sorry bad wording on my part - I mean that EFS does not tell you if a lens does or does not have IS. Its just the lens mount type - IS tells you if a lens has image stabalization - if its not listed in the lenses name than it does not have this feature.
Note that 3rd party companies (like sigma) use a different term name - OS (optical stabalization). Its the same thing but under a different name (Nikon call it VR - vibration reduction)

[Mindy]

I'm with you there, Overread, with regards to learning the hobby and the terms better. Before I read your post I was actually looking at 70-300mm canon lenses on amazon, and one is only $200. It received mixed reviews though. I suppose the $200 job is probably a good fit for a noob. The really nice ones are rather pricey.

So I've learned a lot today!

[Samanax]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mindy

I'm with you there, Overread, with regards to learning the hobby and the terms better. Before I read your post I was actually looking at 70-300mm canon lenses on amazon, and one is only $200. It received mixed reviews though. I suppose the $200 job is probably a good fit for a noob. The really nice ones are rather pricey.

So I've learned a lot today!

That's probably the EF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 III USM (non-IS). It goes for about $200. There is a EF 70-300 f/4.0-5.6 IS USM lens, but it costs around $550. And there is also a EF 75-300 f/4.0-5.6 IS USM lens that usually costs around $350 but that one is out of production.

My suggestion is to look at the EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS lens instead. I have the EF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 III and frankly, it's an awful lens. Very slow to focus, pretty bad CA (chromatic aberration or purple fringing) at full zoom. The EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS lens is said to be a pretty decent lens to use. Costs about $250.

You'll also want to look at the EF 50mm f/1.8 II "Nifty Fifty" so that you also have a lens you can use in low light situations. It's generally available for about $85.

[Mindy]

Thanks for the tips on those lenses. It seems like every time I read a review, regardless if it is 5 out of 5 or not, there is most always negative comments on image quality. That is the most important aspect in photography IMO!

I guess I'm looking at either 1) EF-S 18-200mm IS, 2) EF-S 55-250mm IS, or 3) EF 70-300 IS USM. They are a bit pricey so I think I will experiment with the camera/kit lens before committing to any of these. But I still want to learn about lenses now, so that I can be prepared in the future. Thanks.

[Mindy]

I've been doing more research. I was looking at the 50d camera. But as far as price and features, for my needs I'm better off with the t1i. But I did look at the kit lens for the 50d and I like it. I really want a lens that I can use once I'm over the learning curve. It is the

EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM zoom

EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM zoom

. It might be a zoom but you can also get as close as 1.6 feet.

Would anyone like to comment on this lens? I've heard many good things about it in reviews, and well also some bad. But I guess no lens is perfect unless you spend the big bucks.

[nikonpreap]

get a nikon d90

[inTempus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mindy

But I guess no lens is perfect unless you spend the big bucks.

Even the ones you spend big bucks on aren't necessarily perfect either. Google the 50mm f/1.2 and read about the back focusing issues at various f stops. You have to learn your lenses and the settings where they perform at their best, and at what settings they aren't so hot.

I have the 28-135 and I shoot with it on my 50D occasionally. It's a good all around lens. There are things that bug me a little, like when you're walking around the lens tends to fully extend itself (change focal length). On my L lenses they stay put to what you set them to. But that's a minor annoyance. The IQ is generally pretty good in my experience.

[Mindy]

Quote: Originally Posted by tharmsen

Even the ones you spend big bucks on aren't necessarily perfect either. Google the 50mm f/1.2 and read about the back focusing issues at various f stops. You have to learn your lenses and the settings where they perform at their best, and at what settings they aren't so hot.

I have the 28-135 and I shoot with it on my 50D occasionally. It's a good all around lens. There are things that bug me a little, like when you're walking around the lens tends to fully extend itself (change focal length). On my L lenses they stay put to what you set them to. But that's a minor annoyance. The IQ is generally pretty good in my experience.

It doesn't take much IQ to know that one must learn how to use their lenses. I just want my first lens purchase to be a smart one. Thanks a bunch.