What is a Rangefinder?

[cosmonaut]

What qualifies a camera to be a Rangefinder and why are they so expensive? Sorry for the stupid question, but who else will tell me....
Cosmo

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[fmw]

A rangefinder is actually what you use to focus the subject with your camera. In the sense you are talking about, a rangefinder is a camera that is not a single lens reflex. In other words the focusing mechanism works outside of the lens instead of through it as it does in an SLR.

Some of them are expensive because they are collector items or were expensive cameras in the first place. Examples would be the Leica and Nikon rangefinder cameras.

[cosmonaut]

Thanks, I can see they have sort of a cult following. I was interested because my Dad has an old Yaschica, but you focus through the lens so I guess it's an SLR...
Cosmo

[LittleMan]

Also, since the lens is so close to the film, it makes for an extremely sharp photo.

[mysteryscribe]

Generally speaking there is almost nothing electronic about an older one. The exception being the types like my petri 7s that has a salentium(sp) cell light meter. Doesnt have or need a battery for anything at all.

there were really a sept along the route to where we are today. They are rare because people disposed of them for newer ones with whiz bang even back then. I know I did.

[fmw]

Also, since the lens is so close to the film, it makes for an extremely sharp photo.

Yes, true of wide angle lenses because there was no need to put retrofocus into the lens designs. The retrofocus is necessary to keep the back of the lens away from the swinging mirror on an SLR. The Leica wide angles made back in the 1920's and '30's are simply amazing. They are even well color correct even though color film hadn't been invented yet. The designers didn't know they were color correcting the design. They were just making good designs.

[markc]

You should be able to find something like a Canon Canonette for not too much money.

[cosmonaut]

I have seen a Rangefinder forum similar to this one and the rangefinders make for some pretty good pictures. I wouldn't mind trying one out if it wasn't for the cost. I'll look for the Canon. There are some Russian ones on e-bay. Are they junk???
Cosmo

[markc]

If you are willing to spend more and are interested in Medium Format, the Koni Omega Rapid is a cool camera to try out. It's pretty bulky, but takes great shots.

[Steph]

If you want to try a rangefinder for not too much money, you could also have a look at Yashicas electro 35 GT/GS and GTN/GSN . They were built to last and have a very good 45mm f1.7 fixed lens and take very good pictures.

[mysteryscribe]

Generally speaking the russians are not junk.... History lesson follows disregard..

Leica camera company is and was in germany pre world war two and was the premier camera company of the day... After the war the russians disassembled the leica plant put it on railroad cars and took it back to russia. they took the plans, the machinery, and more than a few leica techs back to the mother land. Before long they were cranking out leica type cameras. It is hard to tell them apart by looks but there is a big difference in the quality control I'm told.

I have had a half dozen over the last ten years. I'm down to one now. I shot it several times and fine that the mechanics are a bit rough by modern standards but the glass is excellent. Buying anything on ebay is a crap shoot, but every russian camera I bought from russian worked just as advertised. Of coruse I kept the wrong one, but that was my fault.

I highly recommend the feds I didnt try the conni knick off though. And they have interchangeable lenses.

[ThomThomsk]

If you want to try a rangefinder for not too much money, you could also have a look at Yashicas electro 35 GT/GS and GTN/GSN . They were built to last and have a very good 45mm f1.7 fixed lens and take very good pictures.

Excellent suggestion, if you can find a good one. Beware what I think Yashica fans call the "pad of death", which is a rubber pad which perishes with age and needs to be replaced, and the obselete battery, which means you need to buy or make an adapter so you can use a modern battery.

I bought one from eBay ("Near mint! No fungus!" was it hell...) which I sent back. I bought a new Voigtlander R2a instead (which I love), but there are plenty of other Japanese rangefinders of the same era that are worth a look - the Canonets and many of the Olympuses are highly regarded.

Thom

[Torus34]

A rangefinder camera has a mechanism which works somewhat like your eyes. You see in three dimensions because each of your eyes sees a slightly different image and your brain processes this image difference to decode the relative distances of objects.

A rangefinder camera also has two 'eyes' or viewing ports on the front face of the camera. When you look through the viewing port on the back face of the camera, you see the two images of the front viewing ports. In some cameras the images are overlapped. You move a mechanism [dial, lever or lens rotation] until the image of the object you wish to focus on fuses into a single image. In other cameras, called 'split image' rangefinders, one of the viewing ports sees the upper half of the image while the lower port sees the bottom half of the image. You focus by aligning the upper and lower halves of the object you wish to focus on.

Both types have a connection to the taking lens so that it will be set to the appropriate focal distance for the object you fused or aligned in the rangefinder window.

[Just to confuse the issue, single lens reflex cameras sometimes have a small split-image rangefinder built into the center of the view seen through the lens itself.]

Rangefinders are like any other cameras as far as price goes. Many are far from expensive. I recently picked up an Argus C-4, clean and fully functional with case for $6.99 + $12.00 S&H or a total of $US18.99.

[cosmonaut]

Wow, keep all of the great info coming. I find all of this helpful and interesting. So far I have never been ripped on e-bay but once.
Cosmo

[Torus34]

Keep asking -- I'll keep supplying answers if I know them.