7D test images taken today (high ISO)

FriedChicken · 11-28-2009, 07:48 PM

I am rather disappointed with ISO 1600 - and higher ones, too - on the 7D, but with no NR and on a 1.6x 18MP sensor, it isn't bad, considering. I'd say it's as good if not better than the 450D/500D.

eighty4 · 11-28-2009, 11:50 PM

Noise aside, my friend recently got one of these, his only complaint with it is it tends to overexpose in almost every shot. I read on dpreview.com that it is a pretty well known problem.

For that reason alone it put me off buying one, I've had way too many problems with the Nikon D80's metering

rufus5150 · 11-29-2009, 02:40 AM

Should average them out. Mine seems to underexpose by about 1/2 a stop. :P

FriedChicken · 11-29-2009, 03:09 AM

How much so? Half or one whole stop is fine for me - I prefer that over underexposed metering.

JamesMason · 11-29-2009, 03:51 AM

Noise ?

Wow i really need to upgrade my d80

CyclonePWR · 11-29-2009, 10:19 PM

Cool thanks for taking the photos.

musicaleCA · 11-30-2009, 12:41 AM

Exposure problems are resultant of the new metering system which takes into account colour and active AF points. Operator error shouldn't be ruled-out. I've had some exposure problems in difficult situations, like hockey rinks. The wash of bright white, coloured jerseys on the active AF points, and dark, dark backgrounds (the seats), throws the meter through a loop. It tends to over-expose the ice a tad (1/3-1 stop), but properly exposes the player in focus. Solution: Know what the meter is doing, and compensate for it. In this case, take manual control and get consistent exposures without bleaching the ice white, then use some fill light in post.

Sam6644 · 11-30-2009, 02:11 AM

Thanks for the write-up!

I'm still planning to get a 7D sometime in the next couple months, and these photos have definitely shown me that this camera will be VERY usable at high ISO for the stuff I do most of the time.

The photo at 6400 would be more than acceptable for news paper printing.

**inTempus** · 11-30-2009, 07:13 AM

Keep in mind these are RAW images processed with no noise reduction. I didn't shoot in JPG mode with NR enabled. I imagine the ISO 6400 shot with NR would look pretty darn good, either applied in camera or in post.

The only thing that I saw that rang true with previous reports was the images looked a tad bit soft when compared to the 5D Mark II. The 5D2 images are exceptionally sharp right out of camera compared to the 7D. But with sharpening applied the 7D images look pretty good.

I'm still not sold on the color metering of this camera. I'm glad Canon left it out of the 1D Mark IV. I'm sure the next iteration in the next generation bodies will have more of the kinks worked out.

With that said, I would still like to have one to use for travel. It's still smaller than the 5D2 and I really do like the new features. The view finder and AF system really impresses me. If the 5D Mark III has the same arrangement in it's next iteration, I will be all over it!

Montana · 11-30-2009, 07:38 AM

Thanks for the sample images Tim. I am personally skipping the 7D, keeping my 5DII and added to the list for the 1DIV. I fully believe that most of the "issues" on the internet about the 7D are user related. Its a whole new ball of wax for Canon users. That and the aftermarket editing software hadn't caught up yet. I think it (the 7D) will pan out to be a homerun for Canon and a true step in the right direction. I would venture to call it the top crop body camera. I have seen some stunning results from it.

musicaleCA · 11-30-2009, 06:34 PM

Montana: Indeed. In your case it probably makes total sense to just hold onto the FF and get a 1D series camera (okay, okay, so I'm tossing 1.3x in the same boat with 35FF; sue me

).

Here's a good review from Scott Bourne on the 7D. He's a Nikon guy now, but has extensive experience with both Nikon and Canon gear (having switched from Canon to Nikon recently). He notes how much of the negative reviews of the 7D can either be attributed to user error, or overlooked key factors (like RAW processing and sharpening) in the reviews. He also notes that the AF bloody well does work (which a few of us with 7D's have been saying for awhile, strengthening the argument that it's user-error when people run into focusing problems, not the camera) and that the noise is also a different kind of noise, which appears more grain-like, and is less abhorrent to the eye, which I also noted a while ago.

Sw1tchFX · 12-01-2009, 01:06 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by musicaleCA

Montana: Indeed. In your case it probably makes total sense to just hold onto the FF and get a 1D series camera (okay, okay, so I'm tossing 1.3x in the same boat with 35FF; sue me

).

Here's a good review from Scott Bourne on the 7D. He's a Nikon guy now, but has extensive experience with both Nikon and Canon gear (having switched from Canon to Nikon recently). He notes how much of the negative reviews of the 7D can either be attributed to user error, or overlooked key factors (like RAW processing and sharpening) in the reviews. He also notes that the AF bloody well does work (which a few of us with 7D's have been saying for awhile, strengthening the argument that it's user-error when people run into focusing problems, not the camera) and that the noise is also a different kind of noise, which appears more grain-like, and is less abhorrent to the eye, which I also noted a while ago.

I agree with him about the noise comment. In the 100% crop of the monkey picture last page, noise can be seen, and that's because it's 18MP in an APS-C sensor. The amplifier really has to kick in. Same things happens to point and shoots.

And yes, if canon had kept the MP at 10 or 12, it could possibly be the best APS-C camera you can get. Sometimes marketing though gets in the way of the engineers.

Montana · 12-01-2009, 08:50 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Sw1tchFX

Sometimes marketing though gets in the way of the engineers.

This is very true, ......so very true. However, I must say that most (like 85%) of the prints I sell are 18 inches or larger on the long side. I don't mind the higher megapixels myself, but my sales are not typical of everyone elses I am sure.

**inTempus** · 12-01-2009, 12:37 PM

Here's some more comparison crops from the 7D and 5D shot at ISO 100.

7D no sharpening:

7D with 70% unsharp mask in CS3:

Here's the 5D2 crops.

5D2 no sharpening:

5D2 with 70% unsharp mask in CS3:

rufus5150 · 12-01-2009, 12:49 PM

Quote:

7D with 70% unsharp mask in CS3:

What were the radius and threshold?

11-28-2009, 07:48 PM	#16
FriedChicken I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 513 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Gallery: (0)	I am rather disappointed with ISO 1600 - and higher ones, too - on the 7D, but with no NR and on a 1.6x 18MP sensor, it isn't bad, considering. I'd say it's as good if not better than the 450D/500D. __________________ The Canon Obsession.

11-29-2009, 02:40 AM	#18
rufus5150 TPF Junkie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,437 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 20 Times in 20 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Should average them out. Mine seems to underexpose by about 1/2 a stop. :P __________________ NAPP, PPA

11-29-2009, 03:09 AM	#19
FriedChicken I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 513 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Gallery: (0)	How much so? Half or one whole stop is fine for me - I prefer that over underexposed metering. __________________ The Canon Obsession.

11-29-2009, 03:51 AM	#20
JamesMason I spend too much of my life on TPF! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nottingham Posts: 372 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Noise ? Wow i really need to upgrade my d80 __________________ In Britain a man is hit by a car every 30 seconds, and he is getting sick of it.

11-29-2009, 10:19 PM	#21
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11-28-2009, 11:50 PM	#17
eighty4 TPF Noob! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 3 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Noise aside, my friend recently got one of these, his only complaint with it is it tends to overexpose in almost every shot. I read on dpreview.com that it is a pretty well known problem. For that reason alone it put me off buying one, I've had way too many problems with the Nikon D80's metering

11-30-2009, 12:41 AM	#22
musicaleCA TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,201 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 85 Times in 81 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Exposure problems are resultant of the new metering system which takes into account colour and active AF points. Operator error shouldn't be ruled-out. I've had some exposure problems in difficult situations, like hockey rinks. The wash of bright white, coloured jerseys on the active AF points, and dark, dark backgrounds (the seats), throws the meter through a loop. It tends to over-expose the ice a tad (1/3-1 stop), but properly exposes the player in focus. Solution: Know what the meter is doing, and compensate for it. In this case, take manual control and get consistent exposures without bleaching the ice white, then use some fill light in post. __________________ Canon 7D, 450D, EF 70-200mm f/2.8 USM L, EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM, EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6, EF 50mm f/1.4, EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM, EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6, Speedlite 550EX, 2x 580EX II, ST-E2 - _S U P P O R T___ T H E___ P A C T_ - Flickr Model Mayhem ImageKind

11-30-2009, 02:11 AM	#23
Sam6644 Been spending a lot of time on here! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 142 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Thanks for the write-up! I'm still planning to get a 7D sometime in the next couple months, and these photos have definitely shown me that this camera will be VERY usable at high ISO for the stuff I do most of the time. The photo at 6400 would be more than acceptable for news paper printing. __________________ Sam Photographic Evidence \| flickr \| The News Record Photojournalism major, University of Cincinnati Canon 7D

11-30-2009, 07:13 AM	#24
inTempus Aut Concilio Aut Ense Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,395 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 104 Times in 91 Posts My Gallery: (10)	Keep in mind these are RAW images processed with no noise reduction. I didn't shoot in JPG mode with NR enabled. I imagine the ISO 6400 shot with NR would look pretty darn good, either applied in camera or in post. The only thing that I saw that rang true with previous reports was the images looked a tad bit soft when compared to the 5D Mark II. The 5D2 images are exceptionally sharp right out of camera compared to the 7D. But with sharpening applied the 7D images look pretty good. I'm still not sold on the color metering of this camera. I'm glad Canon left it out of the 1D Mark IV. I'm sure the next iteration in the next generation bodies will have more of the kinks worked out. With that said, I would still like to have one to use for travel. It's still smaller than the 5D2 and I really do like the new features. The view finder and AF system really impresses me. If the 5D Mark III has the same arrangement in it's next iteration, I will be all over it! __________________ Model Mayhem \| flickr \| Digital Diffraction Blog

11-30-2009, 07:38 AM	#25
Montana TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Eastern Montana Posts: 1,426 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Thanks for the sample images Tim. I am personally skipping the 7D, keeping my 5DII and added to the list for the 1DIV. I fully believe that most of the "issues" on the internet about the 7D are user related. Its a whole new ball of wax for Canon users. That and the aftermarket editing software hadn't caught up yet. I think it (the 7D) will pan out to be a homerun for Canon and a true step in the right direction. I would venture to call it the top crop body camera. I have seen some stunning results from it. __________________ 1DmkIV, 5DmkII, 40D/gripped, Nikon D3s, 16-35L f/2.8 mkII, 50 1.4, 85L f/1.2, 70-200L 2.8 IS, 100 2.8 macro, 600L f/4 IS, 1.4x & 2.0x teleconverters. 580 ex II, MT-24ex, Gitzo 5541LS, Wimberley Gimbal head mkII. http://dehaanphotography.net

11-30-2009, 06:34 PM	#26
musicaleCA TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,201 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 85 Times in 81 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Montana: Indeed. In your case it probably makes total sense to just hold onto the FF and get a 1D series camera (okay, okay, so I'm tossing 1.3x in the same boat with 35FF; sue me ). Here's a good review from Scott Bourne on the 7D. He's a Nikon guy now, but has extensive experience with both Nikon and Canon gear (having switched from Canon to Nikon recently). He notes how much of the negative reviews of the 7D can either be attributed to user error, or overlooked key factors (like RAW processing and sharpening) in the reviews. He also notes that the AF bloody well does work (which a few of us with 7D's have been saying for awhile, strengthening the argument that it's user-error when people run into focusing problems, not the camera) and that the noise is also a different kind of noise, which appears more grain-like, and is less abhorrent to the eye, which I also noted a while ago. __________________ Canon 7D, 450D, EF 70-200mm f/2.8 USM L, EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM, EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6, EF 50mm f/1.4, EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM, EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6, Speedlite 550EX, 2x 580EX II, ST-E2 - _S U P P O R T___ T H E___ P A C T_ - Flickr Model Mayhem ImageKind

12-01-2009, 01:06 AM	#27
Sw1tchFX TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portland! Posts: 5,527 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by musicaleCA Montana: Indeed. In your case it probably makes total sense to just hold onto the FF and get a 1D series camera (okay, okay, so I'm tossing 1.3x in the same boat with 35FF; sue me ). Here's a good review from Scott Bourne on the 7D. He's a Nikon guy now, but has extensive experience with both Nikon and Canon gear (having switched from Canon to Nikon recently). He notes how much of the negative reviews of the 7D can either be attributed to user error, or overlooked key factors (like RAW processing and sharpening) in the reviews. He also notes that the AF bloody well does work (which a few of us with 7D's have been saying for awhile, strengthening the argument that it's user-error when people run into focusing problems, not the camera) and that the noise is also a different kind of noise, which appears more grain-like, and is less abhorrent to the eye, which I also noted a while ago. I agree with him about the noise comment. In the 100% crop of the monkey picture last page, noise can be seen, and that's because it's 18MP in an APS-C sensor. The amplifier really has to kick in. Same things happens to point and shoots. And yes, if canon had kept the MP at 10 or 12, it could possibly be the best APS-C camera you can get. Sometimes marketing though gets in the way of the engineers. __________________ MyFlickr Quote: Originally Posted by no dogs dragon man! Well if it is lyk raining the cannons are really good for that but nikon is like all black so maybe good for sniperz?

12-01-2009, 08:50 AM	#28
Montana TPF Junkie! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Eastern Montana Posts: 1,426 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by Sw1tchFX Sometimes marketing though gets in the way of the engineers. This is very true, ......so very true. However, I must say that most (like 85%) of the prints I sell are 18 inches or larger on the long side. I don't mind the higher megapixels myself, but my sales are not typical of everyone elses I am sure. __________________ 1DmkIV, 5DmkII, 40D/gripped, Nikon D3s, 16-35L f/2.8 mkII, 50 1.4, 85L f/1.2, 70-200L 2.8 IS, 100 2.8 macro, 600L f/4 IS, 1.4x & 2.0x teleconverters. 580 ex II, MT-24ex, Gitzo 5541LS, Wimberley Gimbal head mkII. http://dehaanphotography.net

12-01-2009, 12:37 PM	#29
inTempus Aut Concilio Aut Ense Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,395 My Photos Are OK to Edit Thanked 104 Times in 91 Posts My Gallery: (10)	Here's some more comparison crops from the 7D and 5D shot at ISO 100. 7D no sharpening: 7D with 70% unsharp mask in CS3: Here's the 5D2 crops. 5D2 no sharpening: 5D2 with 70% unsharp mask in CS3: __________________ Model Mayhem \| flickr \| Digital Diffraction Blog

12-01-2009, 12:49 PM	#30
rufus5150 TPF Junkie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,437 My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit Thanked 20 Times in 20 Posts My Gallery: (0)	Quote: 7D with 70% unsharp mask in CS3: What were the radius and threshold? __________________ NAPP, PPA

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