I have two options. The first one is a new 450D with a new Tamron 17-50 F2.8 Non-VC lens The second one is a new 50D with 18-55 kit lens. Which one do you prefer ? That will be the first DSLR of mine. However I have photography knowledge, so I just need to become familiar with the camera and it's usage. I mean I won't use this first DSLR to learn photography through trial-error method. In this case rather than getting the more advanced 50D with a simple kit lens, getting 450D, which is not as good as 50D, with better lens. I thought that 60D will be almost here and that leads to a reduction of the price of 50D, so if i get it know, i may dissappoint in few months. I know it looks like i'm answering my own question with these clarifications but i can't assure my self that i can get along with 450D. Just want to get your own opinions if you were in such circumstance.