Attn wildlife photographers: to feed or not to feed?

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  1. limr

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    It is unethical and I think Illegal for hunters to bait .... but photographers ?

    Do you mean my flowers (for bees and hummingbirds) and bird feeders are unethical ? :(
     
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    The article has advice from an actual, real-life biologist saying it's bad, and then refutes that scientific opinion by quoting a photographer essentially saying: hey, it's probably not bad, because I like doing it.

    That's weird.

    From a scientific perspective, I'm going to listen to the biologist. Cause, you know, science.

    This says it all, IMO:

    As opposed to: "...as far as I know, there's no data to back up any of the negative," says Terry Crayne, local photographer who is pro-baiting animals.

    Why would I listen to a photographer over a biologist regarding actual scientific opinions?
     
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    No, the article is specifically about photographers bringing mice, for example, to lure a bird of prey so they can get the shot.
     
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    As I recall; there was a scene in Jurassic Park in which the operators tied out a goat as bait to attract a T. Rex.

    For the amusement of visitors!

    They were wildlife biologists, if I'm not mistaken.

    So.... if they can do it, then why not a photographer?

    But then the dinosaurs killed some people, so maybe it was a bad idea.
     
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    Yeah, but since birds are the descendants of dinosaurs, maybe the dinosaurs were just exacting their revenge on baiting humans?
     
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    To me baiting is baiting. That means everything from mice to bird food. The funny thing is that the Audubon is against baiting of any kind except bird feeding. I wornder if this is do to the fact that the Audubon makes millions of dollars off of the sales of backyard birding books, bird food, bird feeders and licensing of their brand to other backyard bird product manufacturers.
     
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    So do you consider having a bird feeder in the back yard baiting if its purpose is to feed the birds and not for photography?
     
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    I can completely understand the position that baiting is unethical for their publication...

    just like war journalists shouldn't go out tossing grenades to get a few good action shots...
     
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    I would if I go by what they consider the ethical wildlife photographer hand book. Wildlife agencies tell you to stop feeding birds if other wildlife shows up at your feeder. Changing the natural behavior of any wildlife is considered bad.
     
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    A couple of years ago I thought it would be a good idea to alter the behavior of our local songbirds by setting up some bird feeders. What we got were more squirrels, chipmunks, and mice.
     
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    For me part of the issue is the nature of the bating. Bating a carnivore that has to hunt for other prey I would never do. The hunter/hunted paradigm is a fragile balance that nature sorts out. Humans have not always been the hunter. In their early development they were actually prey. Evolution changed that paradigm.

    I have however "baited" bears on a couple of occasions. Not with meat, but with the very berries, from and in the very area that the bears were feeding in. I gathered a few of the berries when there were berries on the bushes at the time of year the bears were eating them.

    I was not visible to the bear. I was in a blind that was placed down wind from the bear. All my baiting did was pull the bear out of the thicket to the edge for a better pose if you will.
     
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