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  1. JSpedding

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    Hi guys I use a sony a900 as my main work horse but recently I have started using alot more film especially 5x4 sheet film and I have fallen in love with the Sinar system as a way of shooting but obviously film isnt really feasible in a commerical environment.

    Anyway....in a few years I am hoping to move upto digital in either large or medium format and I have been looking into the various ways of doing it but wish to buy the camera now before they all become to expensive or ravaged by the passage of time.

    Im thinking either buying a sinar and upgrading to the 22MP back (although in 2 years this will probably have changed) or buying a MF camera such as a Mamiya RZ or Fuji GX680 and doing likewise.

    Does anyone have any experience with any of these? obviously the Sinar has to be tripod mounted but this isnt to much of a problem for me in fact I like it, the RZ seems the best as I can move around easily with it (compared to the GX680 which is the size of a small human)

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Do you want to stay with a mono-rail or have you looked into field cameras?

    Either way I would look into using a really good scanner to digitize your sheet film rather than spending 20 grand on a scanning back. (unless you will be doing commercial work with it then your math may vary ;))

    I own an RB67, Speed Graphic, and a Calumet monorail. I wind up getting out the Speed most often (but then I have a newer model roll film back for it which makes things more doable more often). The thing is is that carrying a monorail around is not enjoyable at all and there is little real difference between an RB/RZ67 kit and a 4X5 Field camera.
     
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    I do like the monorail and enjoy the tilt shift capibilities that come with it, im looking around and RZ bodies are dead cheap atm so I may buy one and sit on it for a few years as who knows what will be brought out by the time I take the leap into digital MF, things like the pentax 645 at affordable prices will surely heat up the competition a bit. Cheer
     
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    The RZ isn't a lot less bulky than a 4x5. I would either go compact, like a 645AFD (bodies can be found for CHEAP) or 4x5. Besides, most backs (even down to 645) can be mounted on a 4x5 with a movable reducing back. So in theory you could do both.

    It really depends on what setting you're shooting in. In the studio, it doesn't really matter as much if your back can communicate with the camera's exposure controls, so basically any back and body will do.

    I would stay away from the 680. Parts and repair are a nightmare.
     
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    Sony will soon be coming out with an A950 and probably an A1000 next year in the medium format range which will be in the 32 megapixels plus range.

    Red One has the advantage of both a medium format module and a large format module. Very large sensor size results in very high resolution. This camera is used for top of the line magazine covers etc.

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    Mamiya / Holga + good quality film scanner =~ $500 - $1k

    Gets you pictures digital equivalent between 25MP and 100MP (depending on film -- maybe even more if you're using a really low iso film)

    BUT film will cost you maybe $1 a shot between developing and the cost of film.

    Shoot digital and you can shoot all you want but it'll cost you $50k up front for one of the fancy 50MP backs.

    So really it's about how much you're going to shoot.

    If you're going to reach 100k shutter presses digital is cheaper.

    If you just want a couple thousand shutter presses stick with film.
     
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    32MP on a 35mm sensor isn't a good step in my eyes there just isn't enough room on the sensor for all those pixels, the a900 is noisy enough without and extra 8MP on there ;)
     
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    32 MP is where things are going at the high end 35mm sensor cameras as well as the "low end" medium format. Back lit sensors are more sensitive to light and result in less noise. Medium format sensors by the way are very noisy at high ISOs, even Hasselblad etc.

    Red One by the way uses a larger camera with therefore quite a larger sensor. So, the approaches to noise seem to be new sensors that are more sensitive to light, larger sensors to make room for the pixels, and taking and blending high speed multiple shots automatically, in camera to eliminate random noise in low lighting conditions. Even changing the architecture of the sensors is being looked at by the camera R&D people.

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    Sinar and Betterlight 6K, you will be in heaven.
     
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    DO NOT BUY NOW to do tomorrow's work!

    Who knows where technology will take us in the next few months. If you buy today (and spend a god awful lot of money doing so) your gear could well be obsolete by the time you start using it professionally.
     
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    Though in all fairness, my Sinar P and Ektachrome still get a fair amount of use. (as do my Bron lighting, and all the bits that I've been using over the last 20+ years)

    It comes down to a simple issue, do you have work now that supports that level of (financial/personal/skill) commitment or are you just looking for toys?
     
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    Ime with cloudwalker on this. Ive played the game of going RB 67 w/ a digital back. Ok outside of the fact I can now claim I am shooting Med. Format Digital, compared to cameras like the Blad H3, your dead in the water. Especially with faster shooting like a wedding.
    In all seriosness, I say build up the money to get at least a newer system. I love the 6x7 format, and think itll do just fine in the near future, but the reality is that when the time comes to go that route, the technology will be on par with where Film in Med. format was just before the dig. revolution started.
    Mamyia isnt the only game in town, and if the roumors I hear are correct, this whole pixle chase thing is about to go way of the do-do anyway.
     

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