Bill Henson aftermath

[Tiberius47]

Well - I will respond to your deflective response with a question...
From a modern, technologically advanced viewpoint...
Does a paedophile NEED a 5D and a 70-300 f2.8 to take a photograph of a child at a sporting venue...?
Maybe NO.. Eh..?
Modern P&S are quite capable...
Jedo

That was my point. if you go to a Saturday morning kids' soccer match and there's a guy with a 5D and a 70-200mm f2.8 on the sidelines shooting the game, it's safe to say he's probably not going to be taking the pics home and sharing them with his pervert friends.

The ones who do that are trying to hide the fact they are taking photos, and they aren't cheering on their kids.

 

[Jedo_03]

That was my point. if you go to a Saturday morning kids' soccer match and there's a guy with a 5D and a 70-200mm f2.8 on the sidelines shooting the game, it's safe to say he's probably not going to be taking the pics home and sharing them with his pervert friends.

The ones who do that are trying to hide the fact they are taking photos, and they aren't cheering on their kids.

You think this..?
It's SAFE TO SAY that a he's probably not going to... share with his pervert friends..???
How in the hall do we know this..??
How niaive...
One thing we do know is that these grubs are quite capable of hiding behind the mask of authenticity... Some are teachers, youth workers, paediatricians, doctors, policemen, kindergarten workers... Aye - even photographers... They purposefully plot their work and lifestyle to be associated with opportunistic contacts with children...

try being the guy who goes to the saturday morning kid's soccer match - and take your DSLR with the biggest zoom you have hanging off the front - and take random pictures of the soccer players - and then try and control your anger when a parent or coach or official snatches your beloved camera out of your hands and stamps it into the ground and accuses you...
Better still - hire a 5D and a 70-200mm f2.8 and take random pictures - and see if your hi-end gear affords you some authenticity...
Jedo

 

[Garbz]

Yep these day's it's guilty until proven innocent. In 25 words or less prove to me that you're not a terrorist, paedophile, and music pirate. All at once.

Remember this is for your own protection.

 

[Battou]

And to think I was reasently hired to shoot some Lacross games, I also regularly make plans to shoot my Neices soccer games And I have been thinking about some highschool scoccer.

Any one dare come up to me and tell me I can't shoot there is getting a 80-200 to the head, I'm getting tired of this.

 

[Rachelsne]

gone are the days that kids can play on the street in the road overe in the park and not be fearful that there maybe someone lurking in the bushes snapping pics or thinking dirty thoughts-unfortunalty it is a sign of the changing of the times.
I donthave children (yet) and neither do my friends, but I understad these rules are put in to protect our families. Ok so these rules need to be finetunned a little -well maybe alot, but I am in agreement with the current rules. I would rather my kid had happy memories of his/her youth than memoiries of an upset parent who found out a picture had been used in the wrong way.

Its easy for us to feel like are rights are being taken away becasue we are not allowed to take the pictures, but if this rule saves 1 child from being abused -even from a photograph, then it is helping protect our families

 

[D-50]

Considering the vast amount of pedophiles on the streets now adays I suggest we take all children under the age of 18 and imprison them, they may only learn and slightly interact with each other. There will be no windows in this prison because the pedophiles will lurke outside day and night to snap shots of children. Oh yeah we will dress them in long black robes at all times so if by chance a pedophile gains access he will see nothing. no one is allowed to physically touch anyone else and certainly no adults allowed in because all they will do is mollest and abuse these children. Everybody will win all the time yet no one will get a trophy or regonition for a job done better than anyone else. Th varsity basketball team will have as many members as there are people interested and everyone will get equal pplaying time, but no score will be kept because that may make a team feel bad for losing.

Dont forget about the terrorist either. We must give up all our rights so we can stop these ruthless killers who want nothing more than to stop our way of life because they are so jealous of it. In fact I heard Osama Bin Laden was a convicted child mollester and was caught with a room specifically made for taking pornographic photos of children from around the world.

 

[tempra]

-even from a photograph, then it is helping protect our families

How exactly?

 

[Samriel]

I don't get the whole pedophilia and photography thing. I do not have children yet, so it is probably hard for me to comprehend these things on an emotional level as well as the parents here do, so take what I say with some reservation.
I wouldn't mind a pedophile/pervert taking pictures of my kid on the street and in public places nearly as much as I would mind me not being allowed to take pictures of my kid. For all I care, the pedophile can go and make a small shrine with the pictures at his home and worship my kid, as long as (a) I don't know it, and (b) he doesn't touch my kid.
I'd much rather have 10 albums of beautiful pictures of my kid growing up, than prevent a pervert from taking 50 shots and have no memories in print.

 

[Senor Hound]

It sounds like you Australians are starting to dissolve into the sad state of affairs America is in. I love my country and all, but here in the US, somebody is responsible for EVERYTHING! The whole civil lawsuit thing here is really getting out of control. And it makes people not want to help others out or be kind. Cause if it doesn't work correctly, they become responsible and subject to a suit.

Its a sad state of affairs, IMO. But I hear its not like this in other places. The truth is that if a pedophile wants your child, she or he will have them, camera or not. And there's not much you can do about it. No child is safe 24/7/365, and never has or will. And that scares parents enough that they start blaming others and filing suits in a panic. If they really didn't want anything to happen to their child, they'd keep them locked up in a padded room. There, problem solved.

 

[KD5NRH]

Its easy for us to feel like are rights are being taken away becasue we are not allowed to take the pictures, but if this rule saves 1 child from being abused -even from a photograph, then it is helping protect our families

By that logic, you might as well just kill everybody over 10 years old. After all, it will protect the children.

 

[Battou]

The day is coming where we are all going to have to carry concealed camera permits. It's pathedic really, The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few but the few can ruin it for the many.

 

[Garbz]

I've been watching America and the UK taking away civil liberties over the many years comfortable in the fact that Australians are wiser about this. We're not. Clearly we just haven't passed the relevant laws that agree with the generally fearful government. We should send a copy of V for Vendetta to every politician!

I do however not get the irrational fears of a photograph. If you're in public I may see you, I may photograph you, does that put you in any more danger than you were when I was watching? Potentially it could put you in less danger if someone only wanted a visual image then the existence of a photograph may prevent someone from actively stalking.

I can not see how preventing a photograph can protect the children. In my opinion Samriel is perfectly right. If something perverted gets done with photos of me or my family doesn't hurt us at all if we're unaware of it.

 

[Jedo_03]

It doesn't make any sense. If you're worried about PEDOPHILES, make sure your kids are dressed properly, and it doesn't matter.

I never understand the idea that Pedophiles would want to take normal pictures of normal girls wearing normal outfits. If it happens, how can we possible stop it? Sure, Id rather NOT have a pedophile snapping pictures of my kids, but unless somehow her dress was above her head, or something worse - why does it really matter?

I doubt a pedophile would even take the chance on taking normal pictures somewhere, for exactly this kind of reason.

Remember the controversy started over NAKED pictures - which of course are horrible and should be banned - not over some kids playing at a park.

I think you miss the point and/or are taking a narrow view...
It doesn't make any sense. If you're worried about PEDOPHILES, make sure your kids are dressed properly, and it doesn't matter: I never understand the idea that Pedophiles would want to take normal pictures of normal girls wearing normal outfits.
"Dressed properly" is contextually bound to the activity: kids at the beach or swimming pool are dressed properly wearing swimsuits... kids doing gymnastics are dressed properly in lycra outfits... kids on stage are dressed properly in whatever they are performing... and kids on sports fields are also dressed properly for the occassion...
Remember the controversy started over NAKED pictures - which of course are horrible and should be banned - not over some kids playing at a park.
No... the controversy started long before Bill Henson... and long before the internet... and long before digital photography. Many a fool has been convicted of stalking/photographing children and then taking them into his local chemists/photography shop to be developed - only to be reported to the police, and subsequently prosecuted...
If you are not worried about grubs like these - then you should be...
Jedo

 

[Jedo_03]

Right at this very moment on Australian TV there is a discussion about people taking photographs of children in public...
And the guy actually speaking - in person - is Mr Bianchinno...
How's that for a coincidence??
Jedo

 

[Miaow]

"Dressed properly" is contextually bound to the activity: kids at the beach or swimming pool are dressed properly wearing swimsuits... kids doing gymnastics are dressed properly in lycra outfits... kids on stage are dressed properly in whatever they are performing... and kids on sports fields are also dressed properly for the occassion.

..... the controversy started long before Bill Henson... and long before the internet... and long before digital photography. Many a fool has been convicted of stalking/photographing children and then taking them into his local chemists/photography shop to be developed - only to be reported to the police, and subsequently prosecuted...
If you are not worried about grubs like these - then you should be...
Jedo

I agree Jedo.

It's a worry when some people have a thing of that if it doesn't (or hasn't yet) affected then then it isn't a problem

Unfortunately there are perverts out there (and have been for years) with cameras taking pics of children As the camera technology gets better (and cheaper also), DSLR, P&S with High Zoom capabilites, they are also able to access better equipment to get what they want.

Sure it's not good that parents are being stopped in taking pics of their children, but if it stops even one perverted person taking a pic of a child (mine, yours or anyone's), then I think the crackdown on pics is for a good cause.