Buying a camera is frustrating

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  1. jimiismydaddy

    jimiismydaddy TPF Noob!

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    Alright so I've been researching this for a month and I think I have finally narrowed it down to 3 dslrs. Ive been to wolf twice and talked to the same guy at least for an hour total. Any of the following they will sell to me for $800. Im also looking on ebay possibly. Im looking at shooting mainly local bands, so I need something suited for fast low light action(looking at a 1.8 prime lens as well), and also like doing wildlife.

    I have felt them all, read about all of them, done the dpreview. I have done everything everyone tells people to do on this forum. I guess I am just looking for personal opinions :) Thanks a bunch!

    Canon Rebel XT
    - Great for action
    - fast focus time
    - 8 MP
    - Ok kit lens

    Nikon D70s
    store has one of these left, and the guy said it came with a $400 lens. It was a Nikon 30-70mm.
    - 6 MP
    - Fastest focus
    - Salesperson said it was the best of the three

    Sony Alpha100
    - Image Stabilization
    - 10 MP
    - Cheap minolta lenses on ebay
    - worst noise of all three
     
  2. just x joey

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    get the d70s such a nice cmaera.
     
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    "biased opinion from a nikon D80 user" get the nikon D70s

    (i'm also a big canon fan)
     
  4. Jeremy Z

    Jeremy Z No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    jimi,

    I would go with the Sony. Couple that with a 50mm f/1.8, and you will be a very happy man with your indoor, available light shooting of bands.

    After having bought the Pentax K100D, I cannot see how people are still snapping up these Nikons & Canons w/o anti-shake without considering the others more seriously. The anti-shake DOES work. There are lots of good optics available, and more of the best on the market coming. (Zeiss is making lenses for the Sony mount now, though they are not cheap)

    I bought my Pentax at Wolf too. I got the body & kit lens for $700, then had them match a local shop (Calumet Photographic) and got back $90. Also, I got a free 4x6 HP photo printer. It has anti-shake, like the Minolta, has lots of cheap lenses available on ebay, like Minolta (probably 5X more of them though) and has lower noise at higher ISOs than the Minolta. The kit lens is very nice; much nicer than those of Canon & Nikon.

    But if I had to settle for one of the three you mentioned, I would go with the Sony. ;)
     
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    I am new to photography ,at least dslr and manual controls and I can say that I love my new alpha.The "IS" works very well and have made several hand held shots with it on and with it off and can tell the difference.I cant tell you whether I like the iso topping out at 1600 or how much noise is there because I have never shot another camera higher than 800 nor have I shot the rebel,d70.I dont think you can go wrong either way you go.I do know that popphoto rated the new d80 the top 10mp camera this month(whatever thats worth)and canon,pentax,samsung,and sony fell in behind.Doesnt matter to me I have a great new camera and I am learning my new hobby everyday and improving my skills everytime I go shoot.there are pros and cons to each camera.Pick the one you like the most by feel and features and get and start shooting!!Its alot of fun!!
    Oh almost forgot to mention you buy these old maxxum slrs on ebay all day with 50mm 1.7 af for about 40 bux.chunk the clunker in the trash or keep it for a backup.:thumbup:
     
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    I'd get the Canon (I picked that one for myself, I like the sensor and image quality, which I picked by looking at large prints from each).

    Also check out the new Pentax 10mp DSLR (K10D). If I were making the decisions today I'd consider that along with the others you mentioned. I've always been partial to Pentax's simplicity model when making cameras. That way you pay for what you need, not for useless stuff that won't effect your image quality.

    I don't know what all these other people are smoking but why would you pay almost as much money for a 6MP Nikon when you can get 8-10MP for the same price? And I don't care what everyone says, you can tell the difference with a lower resolution sensor, esp if you compare a 6MP to a 10MP (or even 8MP) when you blow up to even 8x10. Would one of these "get the Nikon lower resolution camera" please explain why you're so in love with that camera?? And yes, I'm mostly joking, although I'm being serious that I don't get the love affair with Nikon for seemingly no [rational] reason IMO.
     
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    Is the lens a push-pull zoom? if it is, than it's actually the 35-70, and that's what you ought to buy. That $400 lens is an f/2.8 lens. The 35-70 f/2.8 is insanely sharp for a zoom.
     
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    Canon DSLRs have the reputation of being the least noisy at high ISOs. But overall, I don't think you can go wrong between the current DSLRs in your price range from Canon, Nikon, or Pentax. There's probably nothing wrong with the Sony either, but I just can't bring myself to seriously consider a DSLR from a non-camera company when there are good DSLRs available from established industry giants.
     
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    Buying a camera body is simple. Buying lenses from that point on is the difficult part.

    Before you buy, decide in which of the two dSLR user category you find yourself fitting best:

    Category A: Will buy the best possible deal for a fixed budget and use that for the short-term future. If, at any point you decide the "set" is not good enough, you will sell it and look for new.

    Category B: Wull buy a camera (and additional lenses/flashes) and start building a system around the camera. Additional lenses are expected to be needed (although in the future due to money/skills buildup), as well as additional accessories (flash/grip/etc)

    If you belong to category A, select based on the total value of the kit offered. Olympus and Sony seem to offer better deals.

    If you belong to category B, ignore the additional options and focus on the body. You don't want to pay for lenses you will soon find out are lacking in performance and need to be replaced.

    Think about it and let us know if you are an A or a B. I will then give you more comments. (I am a B myself)...
     
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    An understandable reason, although the Sony is largely a Minolta product. I consider Sony a camera company, a purely digital camera company but they are good at that. It's far from being their sole area of business, but then Canon make copiers and Pentax make medical equipment. I guess the main difference is Sony is not an optical company in the same way, but they have excellent glass designed/made/relabelled for them so that's not necessarily a problem. And they do know what they're doing when it comes to digital sensors, as those of us with Nikon or Pentax dSLRs can confirm. So I'm not too concerned about the quality, range or availability of the products and systems currently on offer, however customer service is another matter, and to be honest I would feel a lot happier if Sony did a few things: First, differentiate their dSLR system from being 'another Sony product' hidden on their websites, and second release some information about their future plans. But no system is perfect and I would still consider buying a Sony dSLR today.

    For the original poster, while personally I went for "none of the above", I don't think you can go wrong with any of them, or a number of other dSLRs. Also look at the available lenses and accessories, look at the price (new and used) of the ones you are likely to want. As I said IMO there is no totally perfect system. There is only the one which is best suited to you.
     
  11. usayit

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    I'm also biased towards Canon...

    With that said, I'd probably go with a Pentax if my budget was as tight as yours. There is an entire world of manual Kmount lenses to explore with little cash... with image stabilization to boot....

    Then again.. I collect pentaxes... Once a Pentax DSLR drops below $200 (used even), I'll seriously consider it just to have a compact alternative digital to go with my already established collection of Kmounts.

    Really wish they released that digital 645....
     
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    The anti shake built into the camera body isn't nearly as effective as a similar system built into the lens.
    The reason is because the lens moves, not necessarily the body. If the body isn't moving much but the lens is how can the anti shake be effective?

    Yes it's a good idea to have it in the body since it means that all lenses have that system. However, the system built into the lens is more effective and if you have a 50mm f1.8, do you actually need anti shake?
    I'd think you only need it on the long zooms so buy those zoom lenses with anti shake.

    I'd also point out that if you buy a lens with antishake it's part of your system, but when the camera with built in antishake becomes obsolete, or is limiting your photography, you'll lose the anti shake system.

    And as someone already pointed out, I'd go with the Canon or Nikon since Sony isn't a camera company. I realise they'll get other to make or supply parts but that's it - they get others to do it.
    Why go for a sony when there are 2 other giant companies making similar products.
    I'm not saying the sony is a poorer camera but with canon or nikon you're buying into their system and their years of experience, not sony's attempt to capture part of the market.

    I wouldn't buy a nikon TV since they don't make them. I'd buy a sony.
     

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