Can Anyone Use An Extra $15k

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  1. smoke665

    smoke665 TPF Supporters Supporting Member

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    I noticed that the contest promotion featured shots of the top 64 contestants from 2016. I supposed this is to cover them for publication of those?


     
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    So basically that means if you submit a photo for the contest, they pretty much own it for a year and can do whatever they want with it?
     
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    It's called a rights grab.
     
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    smoke665 TPF Supporters Supporting Member

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    From their contest rules - "non-exclusive license to use, reproduce, modify, publish, create derivative works from, and display such submissions (along with a name credit)" They don't "own" anything, but they can pretty much use it however they see fit for 1 year. You retain ownership, and may sell licensing to as many people as you like.

    I've looked at several of these contests over the last few months, and this one is actually minor compared to some of them. Check out the Smithsonian Photo contest. If you enter that you grant them a "perpetual" non exclusive license and they only give you credit when they deem it "feasible". I've seen others that go so far as to require and exclusive license.

    It is what it is, these companies/organizations that sponsor these things are always going to write the rules in their favor.
     
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    ... It also means that if you submit a photo which you do not own the rights to ... they cannot be sued ...
     
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    Where do I sign up. I need to pay for a couple lenses. :048:

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    The submitter of the infringed image cannot sue. But the actual copyright owner sure can sue. Both the contest and the infringer.
     
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    vintagesnaps Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    They're dangling a big $15 thou carrot, the stick is they get rights to a portion of your ability, your work, your effort, that goes into your photography. Sparky has the deal breaker - the rights grab. I've read enough... As usual with these contests, sponsors know 'everybody' is a photographer and they'll find people to submit, and yeah, somebody's going to win but it seems kind of like the lottery, what are the odds you'd win it?
     
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    Why not submit a photo? So what if they get the rights? How many of us have a picture making them anywhere near $15k anyway?
    For that much money they can have the rights to my photo.
    Ill just take another.


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    It's the rights to the photo for a year and as its such a specific period of use its likely only used for promotion of the competition itself and as such in line with most competitions. I agree if it were a no-limits licence forever then it would be more of a reason to campaign to get that rule changed; at one year its not so bad.

    Also $15K is a huge reward these days; that said being as I'm in the UK and no landscaper I won't be affected by it (much as it would be nice to have that chunk of cash
     
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    It's not just the ONE image they get the rights to. They get the rights to ALL the submitted images.

    And if you 'just take another', they can sue you for infringement, even creating deriviative works.
     
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    Think you read the contest rules incorrectly, see my post above. They get a NON-EXCLUSIVE license to your images, including the winner. That means you can do what ever you want with the image except sell an EXCLUSIVE license to someone else during the one year term. Compared to most contest rules I've read this is one of the most fair agreements to the photographer I've seen in awhile.
     

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