Can PhotoShop really fix everything

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    As I have read through the threads, I have come to the concussion that people rely on PhotoShop way to much. Statements made, such as " I will just photoshop that"

    Now don't get me wrong I think PhotoShop is a great tool, but that is what it is, a tool, not a fix it all. I believe that if people spend more time looking through the view finder and learning their equipment better, the less time they will spend in PhotoShop fixing everything that show have never happened in the first place. I think a lot of people need to go back to film and learn the hard way. Maybe they would respect photography and what it takes to make a GOOD photograph.

    Just my thoughts
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    Photoshop is an enhancement tool, but everything can be abused. :)
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    Simple answer: No, it can't!

    You cannot miraculously make a good photo out of one that was bad to begin with.
    When you missed the focus, you MISSED the focus. No sharpening method will bring it back.
    When you overexposed and have blown, all white parts in your photos, then you HAVE them, and no Photoshop is going to remedy that technical error.

    Which is why I also feel those who say "What? You used pp software on your photo? Oh, then it wasn't good to begin with?" ALSO see things from the wrong angle.

    Photoshop is NOT the tool to make bad photos good.

    It is a tool to make good photos better.
    So yes, you enter a photo that is already good in itself into Photoshop and can come out with one that's better.

    No more. No less.
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    I agree here. I don't agree with constant shops of pictures, unless it's noise reduction or maybe color enhancements.

    Photography is hard to grab a good grasp on, and if I just use photo shop I'll never get a real hang of it, which I want to do. Besides, I believe that once a picture is edited it loses more and more meaning.

    That and LaFoto has a pretty good point.
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    All photos are edited in some way or another, either digital or film. There are multiple things you can do in a dark room to edit the photo after its taken. Digital is just the new 'darkroom'.

    But, rant on ... if it makes you feel better.
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    I have spent may hours in the dark room, I know that you can edit in a dark room, but you are limited to the amount of editing you can do. What I get tired of seeing is people saying that they will just photoshop it, and everything will be OK.
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    Agreed, use of photoshop to me should be cloning out a pole that is not able to be moved or taken out no matter what angle you shoot at, color adjustments, noise reduction etc. I'm not a fan of those that change the whole scene by PS'n a new sky or a bridge (saw that in a thread earlier).
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    I completly agree with you. I just wish that people would learn this. PhotoShop is a great tool, I am with you on that. But people should not being using it for correnting major problems with the photo such as exposure, and focus as you said. And that is what I think a lot of people think they can do.
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    I'd like to see the photoshopheads do what they do on an enlarger :)
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    hahahahahaha, yes, I still spend about 9 to 15 hours a week in a dark room, and i know that there is a big limit to the amount of editing that can be done. and a lot of people dont get that. I am sure that some of them have never seen an enlarger! lol
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    Actually, the only limit is your imagination. Nothing that is done in digital PP is new. It can't be because the software were created to replicate darkroom work. And unless some code writers are also artistically minded, digital PP will eventually become stale. Especially if film and darkroom disappear. :(

    The idea of abusing PP is amusing because it is entirely subjective. It is up to the artist to decide and no one else. You don't have to like the results of some PP work but there is no such thing as abuse. Although even that is nothing new. Jerry Uelsmann was thought by some to abuse the darkroom because he used something like 15-20 enlargers to make one print. Others thought he was a magician of the darkroom.

    In the film days, there was always a darkroom involved. Today there is always PhotoShop or whatever software you use. No difference.

    And there is no difference either as far as fixing everything. OOF is OOF. Bad exposure is bad exposure. Etc, etc. Problems like this cannot be fixed after the fact.
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    i googled him. wow... cool stuff!
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    Glad you like him. Talking about him in another thread a few months ago, I googled him too just to see what was said and I ended up buying a print :D
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    Bragging about not doing any post-editing is like wetting your pants... everyone can see it but only you feel the warmth...
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    I'm going to Photoshop this thread. ;)
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    OK, let me ask you this for the sake of this discussion (I don't want to discuss the photo as such in detail, it isn't "art"! I know it. It isn't even good) - is this photo "an abuse of Photoshop"?

    [​IMG]

    I'm asking because - while this photo was very (!) spur of the moment, taken out of the side window of a passing bus, and my intention was to capture the solitude of the countryside we were going through in Turkey, and the fact that not all had the comfort of travelling in a nice bus, but some had to walk - the man originally was walking right underneath that tree. That, however, felt so unbalanced to me for this photo that (for the first time ever in my life, I must admit) I decided to cut him out of where he actually was and put him to where you can now see him.

    And upon looking closer, I did not even clone the part where he once was well enough, it shows :oops: ... Not good! But none of that is the point I want to discuss here.

    My question is: Is this abuse in your eyes?
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    Well, you can call photoshop "abuse", but at the and of the day, this is art. You create the image by composing, adding light, cropping, using filters, macro etc, all of which are tools to create and image, and interpretation, a meaning, that you desire.

    Yes, photoshop can be misleading. But most of the time, our aim is not to create replicate what we see identically. So what's the big deal?

    It's a choice we make as photographers, as artists.
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    The simple answer: Apart from focus and exposure (beyond a certain point), yes Photoshop can fix everything.... but then, when were you last able to fix focus in a darkroom either?
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    The thing to remember is Photoshop isnt just for photographers. IMO its WAY too powerful for what photographers should be doing before their work turns into digital art of some kind.

    You cant not use it but its VERY easily over done. Fundamentally if your shot is out of focus, its out of focus.
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    Photoshop can fix everything.

    Dont hate :grumpy:

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