Canon XSi or Nikon D60???

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  1. rquiceno

    rquiceno TPF Noob!

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    i want to buy a new camera, im just getting into photography so please help me choose between canon xsi or nikon d60?
     
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    Jaszek No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    again....lol. Go to a store and see which one feels better for you.
     
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    come on.. are you serious... do a search... we even just talked about this today....
     
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    Neither. What is your budget?
     
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    its all up to what you are more comfortable using, i was choosing between the same exact 2 when looking online, went to the store, loved the xsi and hated the nikon
     
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    Personally I'd reject the D60 on the ground it doesn't have an inbuild autofocus motor so your range of lenses that AF will be restricted.

    It's also lacking a lot of features that can be found on the similarly priced Pentax K200D.

    Based on the DPreivew of the 450D I'd also say it's inferior to the K200D in a number of ways so I'd say go for the Pentax K200D in your price bracket.

    My conclusion for the above advice comes from knowing just how good the K200D is ( I own one ) and the cons for the 20D and 450D being fairly fundamental.

    Therefore I'd say 'neither' go for the Pentax K200D.

    naysayers here will point to the smaller range of DSLR's in the Pentax range but the truth is the K20D and K200D are plenty good enough for the vast majority of photographic assignments and also better built and have better image quality than other DSLR's in the same price range.

    The don't match to a £1500 Full frame pro camera but that's not what we're comparing here.. We're comparing much cheaper entry level/mid range kit and IMO that's where overall the Pentax's win.
     
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    If your looking at a Nikon prob best to look at the D80 rather than the D60. Both XSI and D80 recieved great reviews.

    I own the Canon XTI and think its a pretty good camera. If your not sure whether you are really interested in photog go for XSI or D80 but if you know your in it for the long haul I think you would be better off looking at D90 or 40D. Thats where i would go now armed with my hingsight.
     
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    I thought that this was a place to learn, many of us have done the research but would just like some imput from people who may own these cameras. If it bugs you so much why bother reading thread.
     
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    Yup, every time I'm in a store (walmart) I go look at cameras and they have the XS and D40. Just picking them up and playing, I love the D40 and hate the Canon, LOL.

    Quite possibly because it is the most simplest of questions to find answers too because it is asked in 15 threads per day. It clogs up the forum from people who actually have questions of a more personal nature that may not be as easily answered by simple reading on a forum or the net. It is also not something that one can answer for someone else because it is a personal preference and opinion question.

    My opinion, neither. Get a nice superzoom and save the money until some technical stuff is understood with photography and it is decided that one is going to stay interested in photography. "What camera should I get?" is not a very good question in itself because it tells nothing of what the camera is wanted for. I now know exactly what I want in a dSLR without wasting the money on kit lenses and the lowest of the camera bodies because I didn't run out and drop $800 on a camera that I would outgrow in 6 months. I'm only out $200.
     
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    Very true, not to mention it's often better to look at reviews mainly not 'users'.

    Users generally only only use one make, they MAY have tried others but most people are brand loyal so they will often say their camera is the best choice when they havn't tried the competition.

    That's why I try to backup my reccomendations with research. I havn't used the D60 or 450D BUT I counter it by looking at the reviews. Reviews ( dpreview for example ) tend to be reasonably balanced and the cons list can be very handy for making decisions.

    For example :-

    ----------- Camera 1 ---------------
    Average automatic white balance performance, still very poor under incandescent light
    Limited exposure compensation range (+/- 2.0 EV)
    Contrast detect AF so slow it's useless for most types of photography
    Metering has tendency to overexpose in very bright, contrasty conditions
    Default JPEG output may be a little 'over processed' for some tastes (raw far more flexible)
    Flash must be up for AF assist lamp (although AF is good even in low light)
    Automatic AF point selection unpredictable (use center AF, it's safer)
    Occasional total focus failures (in our case only 5 or 6 shots in almost 2000)
    New Auto Lighting Optimizer doesn't really seem to do anything
    No mass storage USB support
    A little pricey

    ---------- Camera 2 -----------------
    No lens motor in body means non-AF-S/AF-I lenses are manual focus only
    Disappointingly RAW+JPEG setting only records Basic quality JPEG's
    Default settings a little on the soft side at a pixel level
    High ISO performance good, but not as good as best in class
    No exposure or white balance bracketing
    No hard buttons (without customizing) for ISO or White Balance
    No depth-of-field preview
    Fixed exposure steps (1/3 EV)
    Disappointing automatic white balance performance in incandescent light
    Supplied software still offers limited raw conversion options
    Limited image parameter adjustment (especially for color saturation)
    No Mass Storage USB support (MTP/PTP only)

    ---------- Camera 3 -----------------
    Default JPEGs too contrasty, oversharpened and smeared
    JPEG engine not making the most out the camera's RAW data
    No live view
    Few direct buttons (but Function menu sort of makes up for it)
    Dynamic range in the highlights slightly below average (but efficient D-Range tool)
    Limited continuous shooting capability, slower than average and small buffer
    Flash must be raised for AF assist (although AF works even in very low light)
    No Kelvin white balance option


    Not saying which is which but I know which I'd choose.
     
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    Amiga rulz?
     
  12. ANDS!

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    Rotten Tomatoes said "TAKEN" was garbage, but that movie kicked all kinds of ass (a sentiment those who had seen it echoed). Sometimes, you really do need the personal experience of users to SELL you on a product, not just a litany of buzz-words and technical goobledygook tossed your way.

    As for clogging up the forums, I see about 80% of the threads on this first page that could have been addressed using the search feature; the other 20% is first-photo-posts. Its a learning forum; nothing in the rules that says "My question must be unique".

    To the OP - again. What is your budget. Not to poopoo on folks choices, but I would generally stay away from Non Nikon/Canon bodies. Has nothing to do with image quality or any of that nonsense; has everything to do with choice - as in choice in the used marketplace. If however, you intend to buy everything new (and why would you), go with whatever is the cheapest and gets the job done.
     

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