Children of the Snoot

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  1. manaheim

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    I've been horsing around with a snoot on an SB-600. I got my kids to do a bit of modelling for me tonight and I found the results to be pretty interesting. Was curious what you guys though. C&C much appreciated.

    I included one color one for comparison of the general style. The B&W ones seem to work better for me for some reason, but again very curious of opinions.

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    They're interesting and I like where you're heading but the snoot is kind of a hard light source and these seem just a little dark. I've been thinking of trying a gridded beauty dish for something like this, maybe that would give a slightly softer look?
     
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    I haven't heard of the gridded beauty dish. I'll have to look it up. This weekend is my very first foray into doing anything other than having the SB-600 on the camera. It's opened up a whole new dangerous world for me. :)

    Thanks for the comments- I hadn't considered the shots harsh, though I don't love what the setup does with their eyes.
     
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    Kids in so dark photos doesn't work for me. Children mostly show intensive emotions, they are happy, cry, etc and I like to SEE those emotions, and not hide it due low light. Your kids also have beautiful eyes for example, but I can not see them... Hope you get what I meen.
     
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    I am a big fan of the snoot. and have experimented quite a bit myself. I agree your shots look a little dark, but overall I think the lighting makes for a cool effect. Here is one from some of my experimenting. I know the border looks weird, it is just from the way it is posted on my webpage.

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    Yes, absolutely. I appreciate the feedback. I probably like these because they HIDE some emotions. My children are not wanting for a voice to express their feelings. :lmao: Again, I appreciate the comments.

    Yeah, a consistent comment on these is that they are pretty dark. I actually think that may be just a bad decision I made in post processing, and not so much the capture itself. I'm not overly practiced in B&W. I'm going to try again.

    The shot you pasted in there is very much the kind of shot that I like with these snoots. Really accentuates an area, and darkens but doesn't totally blank out others key spots... very cool effect.

    What is your typical setup, if I may ask? Are you using a standard flash? something else? Do you do anything to diffuse the light from the flash?
     
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    Chris. For the this shot I was using just one Sb-25 triggered with a V2 wireless. It was low right through about a 8in homemade snoot. I do not remember exactly, but I believe the end of the snoot was about 3ft from her. I used a white paper towel over the end of the snoot to soften the light just a bit. (kind of cheesy I know, but it worked) I shot through a strand of christmas lights. I did do quite a bit of PP. I have experimented quite a bit with some different set ups, they always make for interesting lighting. Here is a one with a similiar set up with a homemade cookie over the end of the snoot creating the shadow areas.

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    I do think you could brighten yours up quite a bit in photoshop without losing the feel you are going for. I think you got the right idea, taking advantage of your kiddos to find the setup that you like. This thread has gotten me inspired. I gonna have to bust mine out and start playing around with them.
     
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    Jeff, that's awesome information... thank you so much! A paper towel? Who would have thought? I would have expected that would cut down the light way too much. I need to give that a try. Not to mention a homemade cookie! :lol: This is like the McGuyver branch of photographic lighting. And here I thought maybe I'd give the snoot a rest tonight... no way! I'm taking more pictures! :lol:

    I am going to redo the shots of the kids and see how that comes out... it was totally one where I went and looked at it again later and was like "man, that's really dark... what was I thinking?"

    Thanks again, this is really excellent info.
     
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    :lol: "Do we really have to Daddy?"
     
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    I think what struck me aside from them being very dark as was already covered, is that they are very flat and lack range. A boost in contrast would help your b&w's a lot :)
     
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    Hey tinfish... I tried the paper towel thing and it totally killed the light. I even seperated the sheets of the 2-ply towel. (should have seen the look I got from my wife on that one). Odd. The diffuser that I often use on the flash also killed the light completely. Very interesting.

    ha... oh BOY do you not know my daughters. :lmao: Asking them if I could pose them and take their pictures is akin to asking me if I might like to have a free Porsche. Most of the poses in the original set were my older daughter's ideas. Scary. :lol:

    Yeah, totally agree... I tried to redo one of them. I'd love to know what you (and anyone else interested in commenting) thinks of the new version.

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    Thanks as always, everyone. Really appreciate the discourse.
     
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    I think you could push it even more. Perhaps a curves adjustment where your bring the middle up to 145 or so, and then drag the bottom line in some.
     

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