Sorry, useless thread. I have no pics, since I don't have the equipment to do it yet. But I was in Ace Photo last night and they were all happy about this thing they were doing. They said they were going to put a video of it out there on youtube or someplace like that ( i forget ). Anyway, the effect was a portrait that had a completely black backround, with a brightly lit subject. Looked really cool. The way they did it was to put a honeycomb grid ( also can use a snoot ) on an SB800. The used it off camera in commander mode, and set up the internal flash to manual 1/128 ( the least power setting ). That's it. So the internal flash only fired off enough to set the SB off, but not enough light to reach the subject. And the directional light off the SB with the grid lit the subject and somehow blocked all other ambient light. The pic was uber sharp and looked great. Just thought I'd bring it up here. They were happy as clams to 'discover' that.