Yeah it is a trick... I have been making a kind of strange camera lately. I need to know if anyone knows the name for it. If there isn't one lets make up one. Okay a pin hole camera had no glass, but a tiny aperture to make the image work. A normal lens usually has a shutter and a movable aperture.. Even an old barrel lens usually had a moveable aperture. What I have made recently was a camera with a glass lens and a fixed pinhole aperture with a rudimentary shutter. In other words a shutter in most cases with bulb and instant. Some even have a couple of settings. Others are just a lens cap kind of thing. I'm wondering is there a name for a camera with glass and a pin hole aperture, with or without a shutter of some kind. If not somebody suggest what I can call the beast. I have a 2x3 version and a 4x5 version and I am thinking I might do a 5x7 version. So what is a good name if there isn't one already. The first prize is a large public thank you in any venue that you choose.