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Hey everyone,

I recently came across this: NSFW Erica Simone s Flash Photography Nobo Feed

Do you really think this can be classified and considered as art? The photographer considers herself an artist, but to me it just feels...cheap. It's like a gimmick...the main point she makes in her photos feels like "look at me, I'm attractive and naked". Without that, there's nothing to the photos.

Curious to hear what you all think about this.
 
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it seems like moderately decent posed street photography without being naked. Also, I don't think being a gimmick makes it not art. It expresses an idea. The unexpected juxtaposition, and how it seems normal in the way people are reacting. To me that's art. But I hope this doesn't lead to like a 20 page fruitless argument where 29384 posters give 29384 different definitions of art.

Much of what Dali did was ultimately a gimmick designed to further his own legend. I still think it's art, and brilliant art at that. Something can be both a gimmick and art at the same time.
 
Yeah why not. The concept is present in the photos. It's unpretentious. It's somewhat humorous, and the photographer understands that. Her message is clear.

I like it.
 
I hope this doesn't lead to like a 20 page fruitless argument where 29384 posters give 29384 different definitions of art.
Good luck with that. I anticipate that I'll be popping back in around page 9 to rubber-neck the wreckage.
 
Hey everyone,

I recently came across this: Erica Simone s Flash Photography Nobo Feed

Do you really think this can be classified and considered as art? The photographer considers herself an artist, but to me it just feels...cheap. It's like a gimmick...the main point she makes in her photos feels like "look at me, I'm attractive and naked". Without that, there's nothing to the photos.

Curious to hear what you all think about this.

I've never understood the phrase "It's too gimmicky".

When does something new or different become a "gimmick"? And when does one gimmick deserve less credit or respect than another?

Is HDR a gimmick? Is tilt-shift a gimmick? What about selective colouring, black and white in a world of colour, a model wearing an outrageous outfit, fine art nudity, boudoir, composites? Which ones are the good gommicks and which ones are the bad ones?

Art, I would argue, is not only about the final result, but also about the process; the why someone did something, the how, and the effect it has on other people.
 
I found the whole premise of the movie boyhood a gimmick without substance.

Someone's naked in these photos, it must be art! :p

I had the first reaction as Buckster though, Naked pretty girls are so 1900's i wanna see runnah in my art ;)
 
I think if you poll a large enough group you could get a substantial amount of people to call pretty much anything "art".
But I suspect you could probably do the same thing with any idea.
Art is subjective, unless you are trying to sell it, then it is at least somewhat objective in respect to your target audience.
I think there is a trend in recent years (well, maybe not so recent) of "shock value" art. Maybe the same could be said for the Tele and radio too. I really don't know if its art or not.
But here's the real question...who cares?
I mean, why are we obsessed with deciding whether or not something is "art"? or someone is an "artist"?
can we enjoy looking at something that isn't art? Or does something being aesthetically pleasing automatically make it art? Does something being labeled "art" increase its value, or is there diminished value in something not considered art?
more importantly, did I just ask the exact same question twice?

Honestly, I dont really think about whether something is art or not very often, even in my own work. I think about all the things I need to take a good picture and make the client happy...equipment, lighting, posing, processing, clients needs, etc etc...maybe some artistic reasoning is mixed in there somewhere on a subconscious level and im just in denial, but in truth my thinking is really as simple as "this looks good this way, and not as good this other way, so i will go with what I think is the better result".
 
she must be a really chitty photographer to stoop to these levels. I am just going to throw this out there, but most of the porn industry can come up with better chit than this and they don't claim to be artists.
 
This is open to differing opinions.

On one hand, there are folks who will say this series is indeed art.

Then there are the realists who try to fathom this and cannot see anything artistic about it.

FWIW; I fall into the second category.

For me, there is good art and failure. This has failed to convey any sense of artistic messaging, therefore it is a failure.
 
This is open to differing opinions.

On one hand, there are folks who will say this series is indeed art.

Then there are the realists who try to fathom this and cannot see anything artistic about it.

FWIW; I fall into the second category.

For me, there is good art and failure. This has failed to convey any sense of artistic messaging, therefore it is a failure.
lol. My first thought was she missed her "calling" (see my above post)
 
she must be a really chitty photographer to stoop to these levels. I am just going to throw this out there, but most of the porn industry can come up with better chit than this and they don't claim to be artists.

Stoop to what levels?

There are thousands of photographers who do fine art nude photography. How is this any different?
 
she must be a really chitty photographer to stoop to these levels. I am just going to throw this out there, but most of the porn industry can come up with better chit than this and they don't claim to be artists.

Stoop to what levels?

There are thousands of photographers who do fine art nude photography. How is this any different?
what is fine about it?
 
She has some pretty good photos, and some less good ones (the taxi one is very nice indeed, for instance) but she doesn't seem to have any concept at all. The "naked people in ordinary situations" is a vein that's been mined out pretty thoroughly by more thoughtful people than her.
 
The photos have to be B&W for it to be art.
 

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