Do you need a certain quality of equipment to be a professional?

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  1. Baaaark

    Baaaark TPF Noob!

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    Lets say you have a Canon XT 350D, or a Nikon D70, and do strobist-style shots, and your whole setup was under a grand.

    Does that make you less entitled to charge normal price for your work? I am mostly thinking on one hand that its about the product, not the process. But, at the same time, doesn't a photographer owe it to the person paying to use a setup which can compete with his peers and competition?

    BTW, this is not about me. I have no DSLR or strobes. I just am asking a question, that's all. Besides, I wouldn't charge for my work yet, its not there.
     
  2. inTempus

    inTempus TPF Noob!

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    To answer the question in your subject line: No

    Being a professional is about your capabilities, not what equipment you own. I own top of the line professional gear, but I'm not embarrassed to say I'm a complete amateur.

    I have worked with true pros in that they could look at the exact same subject I'm looking at and take a picture worthy of framing while what I captured from the same scene was nothing more than a snapshot.

    I know a guy who owns a very successful wedding photography studio (3 offices around the Chicagoland area). He shoots with a Canon Rebel. He just recently, like 3 weeks ago, bought his very first Canon 1Ds Mark II used because the guy he bought it from was practically giving it away. He didn't know much about the camera body, nor did he really care. He's far more comfortable with his Rebel right now, and his work is quite good.

    Heck, I bet Ken Rockwell could take a picture worthy of hanging in the Louvre with a Poloroid instamatic camera.
     
  3. ANDS!

    ANDS! No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Wow you got a real hard on for Ken dont you?
     
  4. inTempus

    inTempus TPF Noob!

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    It's a joke man. He's the Chuck Norris of the photography world.
     
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    Sw1tchFX TPF Noob!

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    Being a professional really has nothing to do with equipment. Professionals use what gets the job done. It's alot more then just f-stops and shutter speeds.
     
  6. kundalini

    kundalini Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    So, you're just curious, eh?'

    This is the time to do your own research then. If you bother to use the search function, there is literally a ton of threads on wedding photography, who's a professional, what should I charge, it's not the equipment it's the photographer..... and a whole host of information. You might want to take that approach first.

    Apparently it's a pretty hot button here. I'm just sayin'............
     
  7. paulpippin29

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    Interesting question/topic indeed.

    I think a truly gifted, talented photographer, could take excellent pics with a point and shoot in natural light :) I doubt you run across to many photographers using point and shoots that actually charge, but ya never know I suppose.

    I can only speak from my small experiences... but I personally have never charged. I have a Canon XSI with the kit lense at the moment, will probably have that lense for a while longer, however... all of the local girls that I've had the pleasure of photographing have loved the results, though they are not photographically inclined, nor do they desire to be, not to mention that they really don't have any expectations, perhaps due to the fact that the pictures are free. This is all about to change however, as I feel I've made it to a level where I can charge something, not alot, but something.

    I can say this though...

    If I and another photographer go out and take the same exact photo of the same exact subject, at the same time of day, but he's got a 5d with an L series lense, his images is going to look better, period. I've seen what the 5d can do, along with what the much nicer lenses are capable of, and even a simple snapshot looks unbelievable.

    So, while I personally don't think a 5D with an L series lense would be a must have setup in order to charge someone, it sure would be nice to provide the customer that kind of quality :)
     
  8. Baaaark

    Baaaark TPF Noob!

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    Thanks, but I'd rather start my own. Besides, I have looked around. But its impossible to know too much.
     
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    Exactly. So, does that higher quality allow you (morally) to charge more for your work? That was my question. You are giving a better product, but if the customer is satisfied equally either way, then why charge a different fee?

    Maybe I'm trying to ask if you charge based on you and your peer's opinion of quality, or your customer's satisfaction.
     
  10. manaheim

    manaheim Jedi Bunnywabbit Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I, for one, am glad... yes GLAD.

    Glad... to know that someone has dared to crack open this much ignored topic that is so deeply and desperately in need of serious analysis.

    Too long has it been that this serious and plaguing question has gone without appropriate attention by the members of TPF and the photography community as a whole.

    After all... what is a professional? Clearly there must be a definition for this person... this man among men... this pinacle of virtues which so few men or women could ever possibly hope to meet. This set of virtuosity must be defined... for the greater good of man... life... liberty... and all things great.

    Thank you, Baaaaaaark, thank you. You grace us with your lack of willingness to search. Clearly it must be discussed! Thank you. I cannot possibly thank you enough.

    Thank you!

    When you're done here, could you please also post several additional much-needed topics... please let me suggest a few as clearly only you are brave enough to broach them...

    1. Which sucks more? Canon or Nikon?
    2. I have no clue what I'm doing and I'm going to shoot a wedding. Is this a good idea?
    3. What camera should I buy?
    4. Should I buy a Mac or a PC for my photography?
    5. Does Amiga roxxors the boxxors? Or should I buy a Mac?
    6. Smell this... does this smell like **** to you?

    Thank you, Baaaaark.

    Thank you.
     
  11. Baaaark

    Baaaark TPF Noob!

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    LOL... you are funny!

    The great thing about a discussion on a message board is, no matter how lame or cliche, or how many times the same crap has been posted, you don't HAVE to participate. If reposting the same discussions were an issue, or frowned upon, mods would delete the duplicates. Likewise, it will become apparent whether or not other people are interested, based on how many posts the thread gets. If everyone felt the same way as you, it would sink to the bottom, never being responded to.

    I believe if you adopted a more direct, assertive tone, instead of using a sarcastic, passive-aggressive tone, you would have a much warmer reception, not only on here but in all facets of your life. This is not a knock, this is a serious suggestion from someone who used to act this same way. :)
     
  12. KmH

    KmH Helping photographers learn to fish Supporting Member

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    EDIT. I was to late but I agree with Manaheim
     

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