Does "digital" = "edited"

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  1. cal_gundert05

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    Excuse my ignorance, but I've only never shot digital. My question is:

    Do all digital users edit their work after they shoot? What do you generally do as far as editing? Is it fair to say that most digital photography is not truly reflective of the photog's skill (ie, you see a better image than what was really shot)?

    It seems that this is a stigma of digital cameras. Is it true?

    Just wondering:mrgreen:
     
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    I do think that many people have a stigmatic relationship with digital editing. 100% of my digital images are edited in some way in photoshop. Basic levels and curves work, cropping, dodge/burn, etc. I cut my teeth on film and in the darkroom. I'd say that probably 75% of the editing work I do is things that I have done or could have done if I was more skilled in the darkroom.

    I don't think it is fair to say that digital photography is not reflective of the photographer's skill. I see being skilled in PS analogous to being skilled in the darkroom.

    To play the devil's advocate to my own argument, there are many images that seem to "cross the line". That line is fuzzy at best and easily debated too.
     
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    i think surely everybody who takes their digital photography serious will edit in some way.

    But what do you mean exactly by 'editing'? Just cropping a picture could be considered editing
     
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    I shoot 95% digi. I started with film and I shoot and edit digi in the same way. Crop, contrast, colour correction and sharpness are all controlled in the camera and photoshop as opposed to working with those elements in the darkroom.

    With digi we have the advantage of editing every pixel, which is very convenient. It is up to the artist which direction he wants to take that.
     
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    I think that it would be unfair to brand digital images as edited since a lot of the 'tweaks' I do to digital files are the same ones I used to do in a darkroom by hand...so you could argue that at least some conventional images are also edited. But then we have to define editing, is dodging or burning editing?

    Is the fact that a camera's internal software generates say a JPEG or TIFF editing? And what about RAW files, they have to be edited to develop the image intended even if it's just an exposure tweak.

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    When I take digital images, I do take them as RAW files. Then they are processed in a RAW-converter, tweaking a bit with the curves and "exposure". For 90% of my images that is it. And actually that is very similar to the darkroom work with film .. first of all the choice of film influences the outcome anyway (grain, colours, ... whatever), and then you have darkroom processing which again influences the result. You could push and pull films. And now many people just do similar things digital. If you call this "editing" then also film is "edited".

    Then I would maybe use the clone tool in PS to remove some dustmarks ... again something similar one would do also when you go for to large format output from film!

    And then there are maybe some 8-5% of my digital images where I heavily photoshop. Well, that is then somthing I would consider editing and which hardly could be done with film.

    If you do not shoot RAW but save as JPEG, that is then comparable to giving your film to a lab to be processed, where they take the decisions how to do it (just as the camera decides how to save your JPEGs).


    JMHO :)
     
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    basically, if one thinks that editing a photo in a "digital darkroom" such as Photoshop is not reflecting the photographers true ability, then would it be said the same for someone who uses a regular darkroom to enhance their 35mm prints? I personally think you have to start out with a good photograph to do the "editing" on to make it an even better photo, correct?
     
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    Yeah I agree with you MommyOf4.

    I don't mean to offend or step on toes but I've always felt that people that argued against Photoshop touch-ups, editing digitals, etc. were ignorant to what goes into photography. Like others said, film is touched up the same way.
     
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    Unless you shoot transparency film and view the transparencies directly, any photograph is the result of manipulation. The equivalent in the digital world would be to display camera RAW files on the computer monitor.

    In the darkroom we make test strips to determine the ideal exposure for printing. We crop and burn and dodge and do all kinds of things to make the print look like we want it to look.

    Photoshop and other similar programs are simply the modern day version of the darkroom. No difference at all. Nothing has changed except the technology. The final image is the sum of the photographer's work. It always has been.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    Besides digital I did and do shoot slides (transparencies) .. and I have to say that even there you do not get an "objective and true" image. After all you choose the type of film according to the light you have and the mood you want to achieve.
     
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    How many Pro Photographers use straight-out-of-camera shots? Film guys use Darkroom work. Digital Guys use Photoshop. There's absolutely no difference except that PS is a million times more powerful. Film users use different films and colored filters depending on the effect they want; Digital Users mess with Saturation and White Balance. They're the same concept with different words.
     

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