Doing it the right way

Discussion in 'General Shop Talk' started by elsaspet, Dec 26, 2007.

  1. elsaspet

    elsaspet TPF Noob!

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    I just received this letter, and was blown away with this guy's professionalism. He's a top notch photographer, but wants to learn the ropes of something he doesn't normally do.
    I've seen a lot of people ask how to get started in this or that, and I thought this was a great example of how to do it.
    Some private stuff has been deleted:

    "Hello Cindy,


    My name is xxxx and I'm a recent photo intern at The Dallas Morning News. I am writing to inquire about your need for a second shooter or general assistant. I have approximately six years of professional photojournalism experience, a BA in studio art and am close to finishing up my masters project for my MA in photography from the School of Visual Communication at Ohio University.


    I'm trying to break into the wedding photography business and I am trying to learn the ropes. I'd love to learn from you, or if you ever have a wedding you are too busy to cover, I'd be happy to take it off your hands.


    My website is xxxxxx I have also attached a resume. If you have any questions or thoughts, I'd love to hear them.


    I am equipped with a Canon 5D, 20D, 580EX and a wireless transmitter, 28mm/f1.8 prime and a 80-200mm/f2.8. I also have a digital sound recorder if you ever want to put together a Soundslides presentation for your clients. I can also edit audio and put together the Soundslides presentation.


    Happy holidays, and thank you for your time.


    Sincerely,
    XXXXX"

    I'm sure that I was one of many in the area to receive this letter. His letter was so well done, I'm sure he's gonna get LOTS of jobs sent his way, and lots and lots of opportunities to apprentise. This guy will go far, I'm sure!!!!!!
    Hope this letter helps out some of those who want to get hooked up with a working photog, but don't know exactly how to go about it.
    Hugs!
     
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    wildmaven TPF Noob!

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    I can still see his website when I move my mouse over the link. ;)

    Very nice letter. I've always said that presentation is 90% of getting a job.
     
  3. elsaspet

    elsaspet TPF Noob!

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    Thanks you guys for the heads up.
    Do me a favor....I can't see the link. Can you still see it?
     
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    Alex_B No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    it is gone :)
     
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    elsaspet TPF Noob!

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    Yay! Thanks again!
     
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    Battou No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    I will admit the letter looks plenty good but there is more to it than that. It'll get him plenty of starts wich is a good thing but also a double edged sword. One needs to be very careful when choosing this methoed of requesting, It will work for many but...
     
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    elsaspet TPF Noob!

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    I'm not sure what you mean here, unless you are referring to helping another photographer become my competition.
    There are two distinct camps here. Some photogs hold their secrets close to their vests. Other's disclose everything they know as a way of paying back the help they recieved.
    I'm in the second camp. But not everyone believes the same ways, and there is a good argument for both.
    Hugs,
    Cindy
     
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    Battou No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Actually I was leaning more towards other point of view, the one trying to get started. Having plenty of people willing to take the individual on is a good thing by giving a good assortment of choices in master and/or passed on to them employments needed for success, but the person could possibly overwhelm them self and go spiraling in the opposite direction with any one of the hundreds of causes of failure.

    All in all the starting point is absolutly neccessary, once started you go from there.

    I my self am taking a slower methoed of entry into business but...
     
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    elsaspet TPF Noob!

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    I can totally understand that Battou. My first year in was overwhelming as well. 7 day weeks, 14-16 hours a day. I never wanted to see another photo ever.
    But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger right?
    I do see however what you are saying. You are doing it the smart way. The way you plan on doing it, you can do a great job without burning out in the process.
    The best lesson I learned was learning how to say, "No".
    Anyway, best of luck! Easing in is the way to go as long as you have another way to pay the bills in the meantime.
     
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    elsaspet ,
    i was just curious for a point of view on this, clearly the letter you received was from someone with a lot of experience. i'm just starting out (got my first dslr only months ago) and while i don't yet feel ready to start looking for someone to assist, i would like to in the future. if you were looking for an assistant/second shooter, would you be willing to take on someone who has taken a few community college courses, read a lot of books, and was really eager to learn if they have not had a lot of formal training or wedding experience? i appreciate any input you or other wedding photogs might have.
     
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    elsaspet TPF Noob!

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    Hi,
    Everyone is different, but I've had people of all experiences assist.
    While it's wonderful to have someone with such experience willing to lend a hand, it's also wonderful to work with someone who is just starting out.

    It's not as much about the experience, as it is about the heart, and the willing to learn.

    Take this letter for example. This guy is willing to shoot, schlep bags, whatever it takes to learn. He obviously is already well accomplished in photography, but doesn't mind taking the backseat for a while in order to grow his portforlio and experience.

    This was how I started out as well. I had some PJ experience, but wanted to do weddings. I toted a lot of bags. Every once in a while, in order to learn more, I still will tote a bag when needed. My local competition has worked with me, and I've worked with them. We all learn something new, and we all get something out of it.

    But let's step back. Before I did PJ work, I hung out on forums and asked tons of questions. I attended all the local meetups. I invited myself to every shoot. :) I was a guest to what turned into my first paid pj assignment.
    Those who where around back then can attest, that I was far from experienced.

    What I look at when I look at assistants, is the willingness to learn, the time that person took out of the day to contact me, and they way they word their request.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    Rrr3319 TPF Noob!

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    that does help! thanks a bunch! it gets a bit overwhelming sometimes for me because i am trying to learn and want to be able to move forward but sometimes i'm just afraid that without a degree in photography (why didn't i decide i wanted to be a photographer before getting a degree in broadcasting...) or years and years of experience, that no one will want to take me on. but i am willing to do the grunt work. if starting out means carrying bags and getting coffee, i'm willing to do that for the opportunity to learn. i guess i was just looking for a little reassurance that i might have a chance to make this work.

    thanks again!:)
     

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