when the cameras you used to make a living, and considered state of th art, are now considered vintage. I consider vintage 1930 or maybe pre ww2 and earlier, but I see references to mamiya 330 and rollie as vintage. My god I remember shooting my first wedding with a rolliecord. As a matter of fact it is worth the same thing now as when I bought it used in 1968. Anyway I find it interesting... I guess it's like what age do you consider people old.