Evidence Photography?

Discussion in 'General Shop Talk' started by 3of11, Nov 22, 2008.

  1. 3of11
    Offline

    3of11 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2008
    Messages:
    292
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    I was asked by a law firm yesterday what I would charge to come out and take pictures of injuries for them. I have no idea what to tell them. Any ideas? Is there anything that I should make sure to say I will or wont do?
  2. skieur
    Offline

    skieur New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2007
    Messages:
    5,077
    Likes Received:
    202
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Canada
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +202 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    Your expenses as in gas, travel, etc. plus a little less than your standard rate since it is easier to do, than some photographic work in that the emphasis is on accuracy and documentation with no "artistic" needs.

    You should ask however whether you might have to testify in court related to taking the photos. It is a possibility.

    skieur
  3. icassell
    Offline

    icassell New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2008
    Messages:
    9,893
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Arizona
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +9 / 0
    My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit
    In this era of digital manipulation, you should find out (someone here might know) what you need to do to make sure the authenticity of your images is not questioned in court. I know Canon makes a gizmo that tags images on their cameras to prove they authentic, but I dont know how necessary that is.

    http://www.adorama.com/ICADOSKE3.html?searchinfo=osk-e3&item_no=1



    Ian
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2008
  4. jlykins
    Offline

    jlykins New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2007
    Messages:
    1,235
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    I know my uncle is the lead detective for the police station that he works at, and he does all of the shots for them with a D80. No special verification gizmo, so maybe you wouldn't need one.
  5. skieur
    Offline

    skieur New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2007
    Messages:
    5,077
    Likes Received:
    202
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Canada
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +202 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    Authenticity of photos is not usually questioned in court unless they are possibly in conflict with other evidence which is extremely rare. If that were the case, then the photographer might have to testify.

    skieur
  6. pixeldawg
    Offline

    pixeldawg New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2008
    Messages:
    155
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alabama
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0
    My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit
    Make sure if you DO agree to this work that the law firm understands that you get paid upon completion of the work rather than when the case settles. I had a law firm request similar images and then after delivery informed me that they intended on paying me when the case settled and that this was "customary" for law firms. It is not, and don't allow them to do this to you.
  7. Snyder
    Offline

    Snyder New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2007
    Messages:
    411
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    I travel all around the world
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +9 / 0
    My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit
    Ive done hundreds of Evidence Photography jobs, Just a few tips macro lenses help. Make sure to get long, medium and close up shots. And make sure to shot 1:1 lighting ratio. You dont want soft lighting to cover up any scars or bruises on the person body.
  8. 3of11
    Offline

    3of11 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2008
    Messages:
    292
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    You guys are awesome! I hadn't even thought of some of this stuff. Great to get the advice.
  9. SlimPaul
    Offline

    SlimPaul New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2008
    Messages:
    437
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    wow. Taking photos of bodies. Thats an interesting job...
  10. skieur
    Offline

    skieur New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2007
    Messages:
    5,077
    Likes Received:
    202
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Canada
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +202 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    I can't say anything positive about the law firm you were dealing with. I am working with a lawyer to prosecute a lawsuit and so far about $250,000 has been payed out before settlement for various disbursements and expenses. That is "customary" for reputable firms.

    skieur
  11. skieur
    Offline

    skieur New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2007
    Messages:
    5,077
    Likes Received:
    202
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Canada
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +202 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    Somewhat depressing when you are covering a death scene photographically of a young student at school.

    skieur
  12. SpeedTrap
    Offline

    SpeedTrap New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2006
    Messages:
    1,392
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Edmonton
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +26 / 0
    My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit
  13. MikeBcos
    Offline

    MikeBcos New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    526
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    St. Louis, Missouri
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    Extremely depressing, I have a contract at work that involves the duplication of evidence documents, including photographs, some of them are far from "interesting".
  14. Mike_E
    Offline

    Mike_E Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2007
    Messages:
    5,256
    Likes Received:
    247
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    The Upper West Side of Mississippi (you have no i
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +252 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    Ask if they want the CF card, charge them retail + expenses if they do. Once upon a time the original file on the card it was written on was required in court. (some places anyway)
  15. roadkill
    Offline

    roadkill New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    392
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Atlanta GA
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    I would find it less depressing knowing my work may lead to justice for that person
  16. skieur
    Offline

    skieur New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2007
    Messages:
    5,077
    Likes Received:
    202
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Canada
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +202 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    It is hardly ever that straightforward and simple. It can revolve around spins on negligence and responsibility which are seldom clear, precise and indisputable.

    skieur
  17. DReali
    Offline

    DReali New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    293
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Switzerland
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0
    My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit
    I have a degree in forensic science and throughout the course we where taught always to use a flash, an aperture of f11 or smaller and a focal length of 50-55mm to simulate human sight. the focal length however dpeends on whether or not you are using a full-frame camera (we weren't). If you have doubts look through through the viewfinder and find a focal length that matches your own perception. ALWAYS use a ruler next to the object being photographed to give an acccurate representation of scale. if you are photographing fingerprints or footprints make sure to use a tripod as it is extremely minute details that are paramount to these evidence types. also if you do not have a macro lens close-up filters work just as well if not better (we always used them).
    hope this helps,
    dave
  18. IvyJade
    Offline

    IvyJade New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2008
    Messages:
    69
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NC
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    My Photos Are NOT OK to Edit
    Many of the programs that I have encountered, to look at photos, tells you what camera was taken , in what format etc, is that program from Nikon worth it?
  19. 3of11
    Offline

    3of11 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2008
    Messages:
    292
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    Great advice, thanks. Thanks to everyone else and your comments too.
  20. eddiesimages
    Offline

    eddiesimages New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2006
    Messages:
    138
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NC
    Gallery:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0
    My Photos Are OK to Edit
    Take overall photos showing the person's face for identification purposes, then close up photos of any injuries using a scale. The scale should be one that is commonly used. You may be asked to print the photos in 1:1. You will only be called to court to testify if there is a question about the photo. If you do have to appear in court you will have to testify that the photo fairly and accurately depicts the injuries as you saw it on the day the photo was taken. Just make sure that the photo looks exactly as the evidence actually looked. No big deal, if you don't mind testifying in court. But, with the possibility that you may have to go to court (maybe more than once) you will have to figure that into your price.Good luck.

Share This Page

Search tags for this page
canon evidence camera
,

canon evidence photography

,
do evidence firms use photographers
,
evidence photographer jobs
,
evidence photography jobs
,

nikon evidence photography

,
what is evidence photograhy
,
what is evidence photography forum