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  1. gilsmak

    gilsmak TPF Noob!

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    Here is one for you guys to tear apart. Dont hold back, I need to know everything I can about what makes this pic good or bad or mediocre at best.

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    Thanks in advance guys!
     
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    the thing that caught my attention first, and put me off , was the expression on the girl's face. She looks half asleep, drugged or uninterrested. not at all sensual wich I assume is what is needed.

    Hanno
     
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  3. gilsmak

    gilsmak TPF Noob!

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    True. I saw it before but wasnt sure how bad it was. Thanks.

    Is this better?

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  4. terri

    terri Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    What is it you want to convey with this image? It's hard to critique without knowing what you're after. You might want to refer to the critique forum guidelines when posting here.

    Are you satisfied with your image technically, aesthetically? What equipment did you use?
     
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    gilsmak TPF Noob!

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    She hates posing for pictures. She wanted me to try and capture her in a "normal" type of situation. Dont know how normal it is to be rolling around on my chaise in her underwear, but anyway.


    I guess we were just looking for some kind of classy but attractive representation of her. I thought I caught it, but she hates most of the shots. I was just trying to get input as to whether or not the lighting, etc was ok. Maybe some pose insight too.

    As far as equipment, I was just using my Digital Rebel and house lighting. Was not well prepared. I dont exactly remember my settings without having the original on hand (I am at work). But it was close to the following...

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    f 5.6
    ISO 100
     
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    terri Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Thank you for supplying the info. :)

    She is lovely, and no doubt looks great in her hot-looking lingerie. ;) But her dislike of being photographed is shining through here; she looks like she's ready to cry. But she is definitely worth shooting; if she's willing to try again wait till she's more relaxed about it. I'd like to see a soft smile here, or at least a more relaxed gaze, not those puckers in her brow.

    You have proportional problems here, as well. Her elbow and forearm are larger than her thigh. How close were you to her; do you have a portrait lens? These problems can be easily corrected. I'd go for even less DOF so the viewer doesn't have to see the window blinds. The lighting isn't bad, it is soft and even. I'm not wild about the right hand placement; looks like she's scratching under there, and I'm sure she isn't. :razz:

    Hope you try this again!
     
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    gilsmak TPF Noob!

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    I will most definitely be doing this again. Thanks for the input!
     
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    Hah.

    Thats exactly what it looks like when I photography my girlfriend as well. If you can't get them to look interested try taking other shots and maybe just avoid shooting their full face or their face at all.
     
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    chroix In Latin it's "spikius conius thingonius"

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    Second one is better. Like the BW.
     
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    Photographically, it is called a perspective distortion and it becomes somewhat noticeable when you are making use of a 50mm lens and working too close to your subject. In this case, her elbow becomes over emphasized and the rest of her body become elongated and looks (slightly) further away. A wide angle lens working this close would produce a greater perspective distortion.

    As stated by someone else, a 85mm to 90mm focal length lens would have been the better choice to use in this situation.

    Aesthetically, I will also echo the response of another person; your subject - girlfriend, wife, friend - is definitely uncomfortable and I wouldn't make her feel more uncomfortable by photographing her in her underwear or by attempting to make her look or feel sexy or, better yet, sensual, when she is very uncomfortable and may not feel sensual in any way whatsoever.

    If she is agreeable, I would photograph her outside in a far more "comfortable" dress situation, i.e. street or regular clothes, for example, and spend a great deal of time talking with her before, during, and after your photographic session.

    As Alfred Eisenstaedt, the famous Life photographer use to say:

    "It's more important to click with people than to click the shutter."

    If you're not familiar with him and/or his work, I've provided you with two links below.

    http://www.life.com/Life/eisie/eisie.html

    http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1997/Articles0397/AEisenstaedt.html


    In the meantime, you might wish to explore another option - in keeping with Eisenstaedt motto - allow, if not encourage, the people you're photographing "speak" to you before photographing them.

    In order to do that, you'll have to convey a great deal of trust, patience, understanding, and/or become a very good listener. Sometimes, you may end up spending a great deal of time just talking and listening, before you actually pick up a camera. At that point, you can then begin to take "live" photographs of real people; instead of "dead" or pre-conceived ideas of photographing live people. I am referring to the typical "armpit" portraits of women.

    Here's a link to one of them:

    http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00CnsW


    With regard to the "technical" aspects of your work, you might wish to slightly over-exposed and under develop in order to achieve a slightly longer tonal range in your negative so that you could pull out some better detail in the lingerie. (I am assuming, of course, that you are working with film and doing your own developing and/or printing.) If not, you might wish to add a little soft or diffuse light to provide more detail in the "underwear areas" - for want of a better term.

    But, I wouldn't suggest working on improving these technical aspects, until you had "solved" the problem of your subject being uncomfortable and you, perhaps, not having the patience, trust, insight, understanding that might be necessary before the photography begins.

    Again, I remind you of Eisenstaedt's motto:

    "It's more important to click with people than to click the shutter."

    Hope this is useful information and my best wishes for your photographic endeavors.

    Bill

     
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    gilsmak TPF Noob!

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    Thank you for your response.

    The individual in the photos was/is a very close friend of mine. She was admittedly preoccupied with a few personal issues. But as far as the choices for attire go, they were all hers. She wants to give it another go soon and promises to be a little more pleasant.

    I appreciate the links, however and will dive deeper in the text as soon as I am not at work.

    From a technical aspect, I respect and have noted what you have said.

    Thanks again,
    Josh
     
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    Josh you can't go wrong with the advise given here. These folks know just how to help and are more than willing. Your attitude is also going to work in your favor. You asked for advise and listened. Most people ask but don't want the truth, you on the other hand made notes and took the advise. This will help you progress a bit quicker, in my opinion, I know I have. That's just my two cents worth. Continued sucess in photography.
     

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