Good Photoshop or is this really the D4?

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    i think its a photoshop or 3D render. im assuming this from the metal components lacking that metal shine/look/texture...

    3rd picture, left body design choice, why is it so flat? dont get me wrong but in terms of the feel of the camera, wouldnt that be a bit uncomfortable? even the current line up as a slight convex shape to it. very slight but enough to feel like a comfortable grip for your hand...

    one more thing. why would the camera film higher than 1080p? there are no tv sets that would use the full res of the video. furthermore - i could be wrong. not very fluent in videography and its equipment - but i don't even think that the film industry (cinema) shoots or have cameras that shoot at above 1080p....this would make it the first camera or device to output a video that high natively. just for good measure without a heatsink the sensor would heat up even more than the current 20-30 mins restrictions that the 1080p vid feature places on the hardware atm. i think this is a big tell tale IMO...

    unless someone knows otherwise...if so...please enlighten me? not trying to be sarcastic. in a real matter of respect and curiosity please do.

    i borderline feel its a fake.
     
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    It also looks like it only has S CL and CH mode... No QM or LV.
     
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    KmH Helping photographers learn to fish Supporting Member

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    In the front shot it looks like it has a pop-up flash? ;)

    That is missing in the top shot.
     
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    Are those just image aspect ratios. The NEF numbers are still image pixel dimensions (full frame and DX) as are the avi values?
     
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    There is an LV button on the back, immediately to the right of the voice annotation button (the microphone icon). As far as video above 1080p--yes, there are multiple sizes above 1080p...Pentax is already using 1280 and I think 1920 on the K-7. My monitor goes to 2560x wide, so, there's plenty of use for the higher-than-1080p settings.

    The one thing that does look suspicious to me is that left side of the camera--that does look awfully flat, and lacking dimension. I looked at the EXIF info, and it says the images were shot with a Nikon D4, at ISO 1250, and the lens information is f/1.0, so that makes me think the lens used would be a non-CPU equipped lens--OR that the EXIF info has been edited. I see what looks like some dust on the body--but the dust doesn't quite "read" as being real...

    One thing interesting on the menu--it looks as if there is an AVI movie option, as well as a full RAW video capture option. I think it is possible that Nikon's lack of D3s availability might be due to these things being built in the Sendai plant's two assembly lines...hard to tell though...
     
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    A couple things I noticed in addition to things already mentioned:

    In the top view, the on-off writing looks odd.

    In the front view, the mirror and inside the camera looks too computer-generated. Also the rubber texture of the camera itself looks fake, as does the red stripe of the grip.

    In the back view, the right strap holder looks odd.

    I call fake.
     
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    the front on shot looks really badly rendered and plasticky, what you often get from cheap CG, the other shots though look pretty good, fake or not
     
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    1280x720p, 1920x1080p - is within the realm of HD that we know of though. a 2560x1152 output is much higher. yes monitors can support that - PC monitors only - and i know PC games can be rendered that high but again only when connected to PC monitors but they have been outputting such a resolutions for years, years before the term HD was a marketing tool and even now they consider 1080p to be 'TRUE HD'. only recently did they announce a possible x4K res tv but that is currently 100inches (think its a concept) - they needed to use 4 PS3s each to render a quarter of the screen (1080p). TV, Cinema, current staple res for filming HD is 1080p. so you're telling me a DSLR (where the video feature is not its primary concern) is going allow for an output that even Cinema, Blu-Ray or any other filming medium is not considering at the moment? i highly doubt it plus the strain on the sensor is going to be insane without a heatsink - if the current limit with 1920x1080p is between 20-30mins.
     
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    the pixel dimensions: dictate what resolution it would be. therefore you can see you have the VGA res, the typical sub-HD res, the 720p res and the 1080p res featured in the camera and then bam....you got this magic jump of a resolution output no other camera (or HD video camera) is doing.

    btw the aspect ratios, funny thing is, if its HD it WILL be in a widescreen aspect ratio as it currently stands and i dont think we're going to be seeing 'fullscreen' aspect ratios anymore.
     
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    Currently the Canon 5D-II has Full HD Video Capture at 1920x1080. A d-slr does not need to shoot video for ultra-long periods of time; a typical scene is only 30 seconds or less in length. There's little real need for long, continuous camera-on scenes in the world of high-quality video production except for things like sports broadcasts or boring mount-and-let-camera-run C-SPAN drone-ons. The fact that PC and Macintosh monitors can handle 2,560x pixel wide images is reason enough alone to expect that the camera manufacturers will try and create d-slrs that can shoot very high-resolution video, since the personal computer is one of the main ways video (and television) is watched these days, in the form of DVD's or streams viewed over high-speed internet access. Currently, some of the on-line newspapers I read are featuring web broadcasts on hot news stories, with the typical total segment running only 2:30 to 3:05 or so, with the longest scenes rarely over 30 seconds.
     
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    but those segments are edited. from a shoot that probably did not have a limit of 2-3 mins per shot. also i hate to say this and id be very surprised otherwise, i dont see why the DSLR would be the one pushing for higher than 1080p resolution. it makes no sense in terms of their priorities. btw streaming does not = to filming limitations. i can stream a 1 min segment that is from a 30 hour shoot. with 20 hours worth of video material. does not mean the limitations of the hardware does not exist, nor does it mean I might not want to shoot something for longer than a minute or two. btw are these streams in HD, even if they are, arent they capped at 1080p native anyway? case in point, even when delivering to a PC/Mac environment there is still a limitation and usually these streams are also the same ones that head to the TV output.

    but in terms of PC/Mac monitors my point returns to what i said before: they have been outputting such a resolutions for years, years before the term HD was a marketing tool and even now they consider 1080p to be 'TRUE HD'.
    therefore, what is Nikon going to advertise it as, 'we can do better than 1080p!', why? who would care? lets be honest, if it was needed, a dedicated video capturing device would have done it already - not a DSLR.

    Also im pretty sure that majority of TV viewers do not watch TV on their PC or Mac monitors. if they did TV shows and movies would be made at those high resolutions..projectors cant handle that res, TVs are not speced at that range yet, even Blu-Ray, the home of the HD medium atm along with HD-DVD the two platforms that actually ushered in HD video are not even considering those resolutions cause of the display limitations that currently stand. if monitors were reason enough. it would have been done long long ago. why wait for blu-ray? why wait for the HD medium to push through to televisions? the PC/Mac users have been in the HD world for a long time yet nothing ever ushered in the HD-era in terms of video formats until Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.

    but in terms of the current market trend, in terms of the who pushes what technological advances forward and who doesnt for their respective markets, suggests that the DSLR would not be the platform to be pushing on a new HD standard for video. Nikon may announce it or may not. it might be fake or it may not be. but when looking at everything from the perspective of what is known and what has been disclosed, nothing suggests that Nikon should be interested in pushing this forward and nor are they the ones to do so as DSLRs will never produce the quality seen in dedicated video capturing devices and if they are going to be putting money into that sort of advances, I sure hope their sensor (in terms of its photographic abilities) makes every previous DSLR in the market shudder at its presence...
     
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