Have You Got It?

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  1. Alpha

    Alpha Troll Extraordinaire

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    Separate the men from the boys, the women from the girls.

    I'm of the opinion that you've either got it or you don't. That applies to any art form. With enough knowledge and practice, almost anyone can get consistently "good" at something like photography, ceramics, printmaking, etc. That would be a great standard if art were vocational. What separates a good photographer from a great photographer isn't' film, or equipment, or even procedural knowledge per se. It's truly having an eye for photography, maybe even some uncanny sixth sense if you will.

    So have you got it? Or do you disagree?
     
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    photo is all about creativity, everyone has their own style. there's no such thing as a "good" photographer in my mind. just people who have tapped into their creativity, breaking away from the preconceived notions of what a good photo should look like.
     
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    But who's pre-conceived notions are we talking about? ;)
     
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    You can be a photographer and an artist. You can be a photographer but no artist.

    You can be a good photographer. Can you be a good artist?
     
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    yours (as in yourself) and others. often assembled from popular photographers work that becomes the "standard" by which people compare the art they view afterward.
     
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    Hertz van Rental TPF Noob!

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    Notions as to what constitutes a 'good' photograph are, in fact, dictated by Society.
    We are all creatures of our time. One generation's idea of avant-garde is the next generation's old-fashioned.
    It's difficult to escape from a straightjacket when you don't know you are in one - or break rules you don't know are there.
     
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    ksmattfish Now 100% DC - not as cool as I once was, but still

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    Talent is convenient. Without hard work it's not likely to get you far. The rarity of the creative instinct and ability in humans is greatly exaggerated by those who make money from art.
     
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    i agree, i don't think anybody can just have talent and sit on it, it's like buying a ferrari, then leaving it in a dusty barn for 30 years, people don't age like wine, you either work at keeping you where you are, or work to move forward, doing nothing is like not swimming from the sharks

    /way too many analogies
     
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    Torus34 No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Owning a camera and clicking the shutter doesn't make you a photographer any more than owning a piano and pounding on the keys makes you a pianist. I believe we should be willing [as a start to reasoned discourse] to distinguish between 'picture-takers' and 'picture-makers,' for lack of better terminology. ["If you would discuss with me, let us first define our terms."]

    I recall a well-known art teacher stating; "Give me 10 years and I can give almost anyone the technique of a master. But then what is he going to do with it?" This suggests that there is more to a great [again, excuse the plebeian terminology] photograph than precise exposure and focus, both of which, incidentally, can be and in some cameras are automated.
     
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    Neither of these technical qualities are actually an essential ingredient of a 'good' photograph as both are subjective.
    I know of a number of exceptional photographs that used being out of focus to great effect, and a number that use exposure to good effect as well.
    And how sharp is the lens on a Holga? ;)
     
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    Holgas are fun and all but no less cliche than picking up your first roll of black and white and then running out to take photos of old barns.

    The point i'm making is pretty indefineable in a concrete sense. There are lots of knowledgeabe, good photographers. Many of them take some very interesting shots. Then there are people who really have a gift for their art form. I think they're on a completely different playing field, especially in terms of mindset.
     
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    You see this, as I said earlier should be where we make the distinction. A photographer is someone who uses photographic equipment to create photographs. Any one can be a photographer if they have the means to create a photograph. I think what people usually consider as a good photographer is someone who a is a good artist in the mdium of photography.

    It's the artistry we should assess not the photography per se.

    How do we assess artistry....well it's subjective...
     

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