How many photographs do you give to your client?

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  1. tecboy

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    I set a limit about five dog photos for the clients. Each photo is cropped to various sizes for printing. It takes a quite a bit of works. The clients want a lot more than five photos, because I took a lot of pictures. Many of them are same poses or just repetition.


     
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    I give them as many as they pay for.
     
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    Do you have a written contract that specifies how many they get?
     
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    Just five.
     
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    So, I shot about 77 photos. Is it okay to give that many?
     
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    If they pay for them, sure. I might shoot 100 images at a session; typical purchase by a client is 3-5.
     
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    You need to be strong and resist their demand for all the photos. I usually blurt out the truth; that the others are no good. In my case, I'm lucky to get maybe 10% fairly good (or at least "fixable"). Anyway, don't give out anything you are not proud of.
     
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    Maybe have your contract spell out that the session price includes their choice of 5 and then add what you charge for additional shots. You can do a quick cull and crop the keepers for their viewing/choosing then only spend your time on fully editing the ones they want for their 5 plus anything else they are paying extra for.
     
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    They said they want more just for personal copy, and they don't care if the photos are unedited.
     
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    Here's my process: I start by explaining to them that the session fee is simply that, a fee for the creative process and exclusive of product. I then explain that there are typically X poses from the session and I normally shoot Y images per pose (session-type dependent). I tell them that usually results in Z (That's "zed" by the way, NOT "zee"!!!!) images for them to review. For a typical family session that lasts say, 90 minutes, that usually means 4 - 5 poses and 6 - 8 frames per pose. Having made sure that they understand that, once the session is shot, I take the images, and bin all the junk, closed eyes, missed focus, etc, etc. I then take the remaining images and create a slideshow or Lightroom gallery (depending on whether or not I'm doing in-home or on-line proofing) and they pick what they want in terms of size and product. The images in the slideshow/gallery are only given a basic crop and colour correction.
     
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    I want to win the lottery, but that doesn't happen. Explain to them that the images are your product and your brand, and that just like a painter doesn't release an unfinished painting, you don't release unfinished (or unpaid for) images.
     
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    "That's great Mr/Ms/Mrs customer. Additional images are (insert price here) per image. Would you like 15 or 50 additional images".

    "I do not sell images I have not edited, because (ya gotta tell 'em why) a digital image straight out of the camera is not a finished image by my professional standards of image quality.
    On that basis I do not sell images I made that, for whatever reason, cannot meet my standards of image quality even if those images are edited."

    I'm curious. How much does a customer of yours pay to have you shoot the photos and then provide 5 edited images?

    When you "cropped to various sizes for printing" what you're actually doing is cropping to various aspect ratios.
    The size of a print is determined by the print resolution and the image resolution.
    Cropping alters the composition and the image resolution but does not alter the print resolution.

    Note that tirediron and I both call them images, and don't call them photos.
    It would be worth your while to wonder why. (Hint: Marketing & Salesmanship)
    You can make your apparent skill/knowledge/product more professional, and more valuable, by using business, technical, and artistic language that the average person isn't used to hearing.
     
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