How many would feel guilty?

[Dao]

I think it really depends on what the person need. A multimillionaire may just buy a point and shoot camera instead of high end DSLR simply because of that's what he/she need. That person may feel guilt if he/she spend more for a high end setup that he/she does not need.

For me, camera purchase is quite personal. I like a lighter setup. So 6D maybe better for me (or the Sony A7 too)

Guilt or not can go both ways.
i.e.

- Now that after I'd try the 5D III, I'm glad I saved $200 for getting the 6D. There are no difference at all what so ever between the 2 cameras when I taking my nature and family photos!!

or

- Man! I wished I spend the extra $200 for that 5D III used body. Is it me or the camera? I just can't get the focus right for those flying birds. It must be the camera. IT MUST BE!

So it is really up to your friend for what he/she want.

 

[enerlevel]

Thanks all for the reply. Today we tried both the cameras at a local store with the 50mm f1.4 and a couple of other lens.. the 6D seemed to be a little front or back focused most of the time... I tried to adjust to about +7 and it seemed to be sharper at that setting... the 5D needed no cal. With all of the lens... is this something my friend would need to cal. most of the lens with 6D and none with the 5D? Or was it just by chance that the 6D didn't focus pin sharp with 3 out of 4 lens ?

 

[JacaRanda]

Thanks all for the reply. Today we tried both the cameras at a local store with the 50mm f1.4 and a couple of other lens.. the 6D seemed to be a little front or back focused most of the time... I tried to adjust to about +7 and it seemed to be sharper at that setting... the 5D needed no cal. With all of the lens... is this something my friend would need to cal. most of the lens with 6D and none with the 5D? Or was it just by chance that the 6D didn't focus pin sharp with 3 out of 4 lens ?

He should calibrate his own lenses with either camera if necessary.

 

[soufiej]

So you telling me that as a sales person you have never had a situation where a customer comes and asks you if x camera is good for the price or y camera ?
P.s:- English is not my first language so maybe I used the word in a wrong way. However you could had simply written to replace the word guilt with regret or wiser purchase without going to illegal money, shutup etc.

I don't see how my answering THAT question goes to a resolution of your original post. Nor do I see it as my place to correct your language usage just to make your post seem less judgemental of your friend's motives.

Asking a sales "assistant" (in other words, a qualified, trained and knowledgeable sales person) whether one component is "good for the price" has two distinctions in this particular matter.

The first is, asking such a question implies no guilt on the part of the buyer or the seller.

Second, no sales person is likely to directly answer such a question. A sales person only facilitates the process, they do not complete the process for the client.

A good salesperson's job is to facilitate; to lead the client through the sales process and to direct - through a series of steps - a business transaction toward a (satisfying to both parties) conclusion. Sales is a process, a process which hopefully narrows the decisions for the client to an acceptable few. Though some sales personnel treat it otherwise, no sales person is there to say, "Buy this or else". There is an early stage of the sales process known as "qualifying the client". Ideally, this is time spent discussing the priorities, the needs and the desires of the prospective buyer. It is not the time when the sales person goes to the stock room to check what they need to sell that day.

During the qualifying stage, the sales person is attempting to make it a bit more obvious to the client what it is they might want/need as well as making it more certain to the sales person what they do have in their stock which might best suit the client's stated desires. So, had I been asked the question, " ... if x camera is good for the price or y camera", there would be no answer I could provide which I could stand behind until I knew more about the client and their history with equipment and their future possible uses of their equipment. That actually is a fairly short answer to your question. The shortest answer is, it's not the sales person's job to say which is better, that's why the store will have a good supply of available products from which the client may select the most appropriate.

Your use of the word "guilty" may be due to your unfamiliarity with the English language. Yet, "guilt" implies someone has done something they should not have done. In one sense, it is a legal term which means you've broken the law. In another it can mean you've done something you should not have even considered. (There's a rather well known George Carlin comedy routine dealing with that peculiar brand of sin caused by "Catholic guilt".) That you have broken a trust and a bond may cause guilty feelings. It is a different level of feeling and responsibility which is distinct from regret or remorse.

Many buyers have the well known "buyer's remorse" the day after they have made a purchase. They may regret spending money that was ear-marked for another use. They may have remorse over buying on an impulse. They may find the product is not what they needed/desired or that it is not well suited to their situation. They now regret the purchase and have remorse for their impetuous nature.

Guilt however, is an entirely different breed of horse. Guilt is the thoroughbred of doing something wrong. It is the Triple Crown winner and the high priced stud of shameful actions. Judging one product more appropriate to your needs than another product does not enter into the same qualifying rounds with the truly "guilty".

Judgement is not the same as buying a product using money obtained through illegal or immoral actions. Or by breaking a trust that you shouldn't have made the purchase.

I was once presented a credit card with the name of a female card holder on the front. The "buyers" were two young teenaged boys who wanted an electronic component. I asked for ID from the two boys. When I questioned the card holder's name vs their appearance and the lack of a similar name on any document, I was told the card holder was their aunt and they were sent to buy the component for her. I said I would need her permission to complete the sale and in the process notified store security of the situation. The boys could not supply a contact number for their "aunt" and when security showed up at the front of the store, they ran. We contacted the credit card company and the card had just been reported as having been stolen/lost. To have simply completed the sale so I could receive a commission would have been a breach of trust between myself and my employer at the time. Both the boys and I would have been guilty of a misdemeanor/felony, though their crime would have been unlike my own. Either way, we all could have been judged "guilty" in a court of law.

I did, however, once sell an audio system to a couple using stolen money and stolen identities. The manager of the store OK'd the deal and we loaded the gear into their car. It wasn't until another few months had passed that the police notified the shop of the extent of their crime and our part in the process. There was no intent on the part of myself nor the manager to accept stolen money or to pass along stolen merchandise, so there was no crime and, therefore, no guilt on our part.

I have sold items to be used as a gift to another person in the buyer's family. Technically, that is called a "strawman purchase" and it can be illegal on both a state and Federal level. The family members supplied sufficient proof they were not attempting to skirt the law, just to keep the purchase a secret until they could surprise their relative. Once we were as certain as possible regarding the legality of the sale, we proceeded to assist the family members in their wish. Legal issues recognize there are circumstances where, say, a father buys a daughter a new car (without her name being on the title) or a son a new camera for the sake of being "family". No laws have been violated and no "guilt" has been assumed.

Broadly speaking, in legal terms, someone may be "guilty" of stealing money with which they purchased goods or used it for their own enrichment.

Someone may feel morally "guilty" when they have not rightfully earned the money they have used for a purchase.

Someone on a diet may feel remorse for eating three slices of pie.

Someone who has just finished off a large holiday meal may feel regret for having those last, additional two slices of pie.

I don't know if that helps you understand the English language any more completely, but assigning "guilt" to your friend's situation was, IMO, the wrong way to state your question if he is simply deciding which camera is best suited for his needs.

Hope that helps. Though I doubt this has much to do with your initial post.

 

[TCampbell]

Thanks all for the reply. Today we tried both the cameras at a local store with the 50mm f1.4 and a couple of other lens.. the 6D seemed to be a little front or back focused most of the time... I tried to adjust to about +7 and it seemed to be sharper at that setting... the 5D needed no cal. With all of the lens... is this something my friend would need to cal. most of the lens with 6D and none with the 5D? Or was it just by chance that the 6D didn't focus pin sharp with 3 out of 4 lens ?

It's a body-by-body feature -- not the model.... even the individual body... you could test two 6D bodies side-by-side and get completely different results with each.

When using the viewfinder, light enters the lens, hits the reflex mirror and bounces UP onto the focusing screen (and metering is up there too). But the mirror is semi-transparent and behind the primary reflex mirror there is a secondary mirror hinged to the back of the primary mirror. That mirror bounces light DOWN into the AF sensor array. It's supposed to be designed so that the distance the light has to travel from the mirror up to the focusing screen is the SAME as the distance DOWN to the AF sensor array and ALSO the SAME as the distance straight through to the imaging sensor once the mirrors swing clear and the shutter opens for the shot.

There are three screws on the sensor which "shim" the imaging sensor both front to back as well top to bottom and left to right. If the sensor wasn't perfectly shimmed at the factory then it's possible for the AF sensor to think it has achieved focus even though the sensor thinks it is just fractionally out of focus. This is why you can micro-adjust the auto-focus system. It is also possible for the focus to be different on each individual lens. This is why the auto-focus micro-adjustment (AFMA) allows you to adjust each lens individually and the camera will "remember" the adjustment for each unique lens that you use.

See: LensRentals.com - This lens is soft and other myths

 

[enerlevel]

So you telling me that as a sales person you have never had a situation where a customer comes and asks you if x camera is good for the price or y camera ?
P.s:- English is not my first language so maybe I used the word in a wrong way. However you could had simply written to replace the word guilt with regret or wiser purchase without going to illegal money, shutup etc.

I don't see how my answering THAT question goes to a resolution of your original post. Nor do I see it as my place to correct your language usage just to make your post seem less judgemental of your friend's motives.

Asking a sales "assistant" (in other words, a qualified, trained and knowledgeable sales person) whether one component is "good for the price" has two distinctions in this particular matter.

The first is, asking such a question implies no guilt on the part of the buyer or the seller.

Second, no sales person is likely to directly answer such a question. A sales person only facilitates the process, they do not complete the process for the client.

A good salesperson's job is to facilitate; to lead the client through the sales process and to direct - through a series of steps - a business transaction toward a (satisfying to both parties) conclusion. Sales is a process, a process which hopefully narrows the decisions for the client to an acceptable few. Though some sales personnel treat it otherwise, no sales person is there to say, "Buy this or else". There is an early stage of the sales process known as "qualifying the client". Ideally, this is time spent discussing the priorities, the needs and the desires of the prospective buyer. It is not the time when the sales person goes to the stock room to check what they need to sell that day.

During the qualifying stage, the sales person is attempting to make it a bit more obvious to the client what it is they might want/need as well as making it more certain to the sales person what they do have in their stock which might best suit the client's stated desires. So, had I been asked the question, " ... if x camera is good for the price or y camera", there would be no answer I could provide which I could stand behind until I knew more about the client and their history with equipment and their future possible uses of their equipment. That actually is a fairly short answer to your question. The shortest answer is, it's not the sales person's job to say which is better, that's why the store will have a good supply of available products from which the client may select the most appropriate.

Your use of the word "guilty" may be due to your unfamiliarity with the English language. Yet, "guilt" implies someone has done something they should not have done. In one sense, it is a legal term which means you've broken the law. In another it can mean you've done something you should not have even considered. (There's a rather well known George Carlin comedy routine dealing with that peculiar brand of sin caused by "Catholic guilt".) That you have broken a trust and a bond may cause guilty feelings. It is a different level of feeling and responsibility which is distinct from regret or remorse.

Many buyers have the well known "buyer's remorse" the day after they have made a purchase. They may regret spending money that was ear-marked for another use. They may have remorse over buying on an impulse. They may find the product is not what they needed/desired or that it is not well suited to their situation. They now regret the purchase and have remorse for their impetuous nature.

Guilt however, is an entirely different breed of horse. Guilt is the thoroughbred of doing something wrong. It is the Triple Crown winner and the high priced stud of shameful actions. Judging one product more appropriate to your needs than another product does not enter into the same qualifying rounds with the truly "guilty".

Judgement is not the same as buying a product using money obtained through illegal or immoral actions. Or by breaking a trust that you shouldn't have made the purchase.

I was once presented a credit card with the name of a female card holder on the front. The "buyers" were two young teenaged boys who wanted an electronic component. I asked for ID from the two boys. When I questioned the card holder's name vs their appearance and the lack of a similar name on any document, I was told the card holder was their aunt and they were sent to buy the component for her. I said I would need her permission to complete the sale and in the process notified store security of the situation. The boys could not supply a contact number for their "aunt" and when security showed up at the front of the store, they ran. We contacted the credit card company and the card had just been reported as having been stolen/lost. To have simply completed the sale so I could receive a commission would have been a breach of trust between myself and my employer at the time. Both the boys and I would have been guilty of a misdemeanor/felony, though their crime would have been unlike my own. Either way, we all could have been judged "guilty" in a court of law.

I did, however, once sell an audio system to a couple using stolen money and stolen identities. The manager of the store OK'd the deal and we loaded the gear into their car. It wasn't until another few months had passed that the police notified the shop of the extent of their crime and our part in the process. There was no intent on the part of myself nor the manager to accept stolen money or to pass along stolen merchandise, so there was no crime and, therefore, no guilt on our part.

I have sold items to be used as a gift to another person in the buyer's family. Technically, that is called a "strawman purchase" and it can be illegal on both a state and Federal level. The family members supplied sufficient proof they were not attempting to skirt the law, just to keep the purchase a secret until they could surprise their relative. Once we were as certain as possible regarding the legality of the sale, we proceeded to assist the family members in their wish. Legal issues recognize there are circumstances where, say, a father buys a daughter a new car (without her name being on the title) or a son a new camera for the sake of being "family". No laws have been violated and no "guilt" has been assumed.

Broadly speaking, in legal terms, someone may be "guilty" of stealing money with which they purchased goods or used it for their own enrichment.

Someone may feel morally "guilty" when they have not rightfully earned the money they have used for a purchase.

Someone on a diet may feel remorse for eating three slices of pie.

Someone who has just finished off a large holiday meal may feel regret for having those last, additional two slices of pie.

I don't know if that helps you understand the English language any more completely, but assigning "guilt" to your friend's situation was, IMO, the wrong way to state your question if he is simply deciding which camera is best suited for his needs.

Hope that helps. Though I doubt this has much to do with your initial post.

Thank you very much... now can we move on ?
Brand new 6D or preowned 5D mark III ?

 

[soufiej]

Thank you very much... now can we move on ?
Brand new 6D or preowned 5D mark III ?

 

[Dao]

Thank you very much... now can we move on ?
Brand new 6D or preowned 5D mark III ?

You are basically asking "A new Ford Escort or a used F 150 SuperCrew 4x4?" "A new Toyota Camry or used Lexus ES350?" All can take 5 people from A to B, however, different people choose different cars based on their need. It really does not matter what we think, it matters what your friend think.

I believe if you asked what is the advantage of 6D over 5D III or vice versa, someone who have experience with both cameras may be able to give you some advice.