I was just told to leave or police would be called

[compur]

Not sure what to make of this, I was at a place called the "Districts" at Green Valley Ranch, it's an outdoor shopping center thats next to a casino, it's also owned by the casino.

Had lunch at the District and aftewards I was walking around and started photographing pigeons, I was approached by security and told to exit the premise as photography was not permited unless I was photographing another person in my shopping party.

I was given a "District at Green Valley Ranch" code of conduct and they circled this. There were a total of 12 items listed, this is #10

"The following activities are not allowed on the District at Green Valley Ranch property

10. Taking photos, video or audio recording of any store, product, employee, cutomer or officer. While taking photos of a shopping party with shopping center de`cor as a backdrop is allowed, all other activities must have shopping center management approval"

I was respectful and told them I was just taking pictures of pigeons and offered to let them look at my camera, they said if I didn't leave ASAP they would call police....argh...

I'd have told them the pigeons were part of my shopping party.

 

[manaheim]

I'd have told them the pigeons were part of my shopping party.

bahahah... that would ROCK. Esp. if you could do it with a really straight face.

 

[LaFoto]

Only once in all my life have I been asked to leave the premises and delete the photos taken, that was when I had photographed the garbage cans of a car part producer at night (I guess that one had been a neat photo) but hadn't realised I was standing on their property already. The secretary came out (or partner?) and asked me NOT to take photos, industrial espionage was everywhere, she claimed, and their production also included things competitors should not get to see, and my weak question "But a carbage container...???" was countered by "By rule...". So what was I to say? Pic got deleted before her eyes.

She COULD have let me pack up and go WITHOUT the final remark "And if ever a photo of our company should show in the paper or so, I know who took it!"

THAT bit was power play...

 

[DRoberts]

I WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT!!!!
Yes sir, I'm leaving....right now sir.

Could argue the part about the mall. It is a very public accessable place. Guess it just depends on where you live.

 

[maxalmon]

It's really starting to irritate me the more I think about it. Because it is an open air mall thats open to the public and there are no signs saying that photography is prohibited, can they legally ban someone from taking photographs? I was shopping and had lunch so I wasn't there to just to photograph and run.

The power of negative publicity is pretty powerful, I'm wondering if a call to the local paper might create some interest in an article.

Kinda makes me feel warm and fuzzy knowing I was tossed out of a place for taking photos, makes me feel important even though my photos are just basic beginner stuff:lmao:

 

[AllAroundPhotogLV]

Hey Max, I'm in Vegas too and I know EXACTLY what you're talking about.

I find the scenery over in that Plaza to be particularly appealing. The sam thing happened to me as I was filming people eating in one of the restaurants in the same shopping center.

 

[maxalmon]

Hey Max, I'm in Vegas too and I know EXACTLY what you're talking about.

I find the scenery over in that Plaza to be particularly appealing. The sam thing happened to me as I was filming people eating in one of the restaurants in the same shopping center.

Nice to see a local! Did they give you the brochure with all the rules if you want to go shopping or have lunch, it's crazy..Even goes so far as to have a dress code, stuff like spikes, studs or chains are grounds for eviction....

 

[Village Idiot]

The land is privately owned and there for private property. Now if it was publicly owned but privately managed, that can be another matter.

You're not required to delete any images you've captured, if some one seizes your camera and deletes your photos, it's considered theft or seizing property without a warranty and unlawful destruction of evidence depending on if it's a civilian or law enforcement officer.

Going back to a property or continuing an activity on private property when asked to leave or because the security guard didn't "word" his sentence right is childish, especially when you shouldn't be there. Now if you're on public property and some one is asking you to leave, then it's a different matter.

 

[skieur]

Only once in all my life have I been asked to leave the premises and delete the photos taken, that was when I had photographed the garbage cans of a car part producer at night (I guess that one had been a neat photo) but hadn't realised I was standing on their property already. The secretary came out (or partner?) and asked me NOT to take photos, industrial espionage was everywhere, she claimed, and their production also included things competitors should not get to see, and my weak question "But a carbage container...???" was countered by "By rule...". So what was I to say? Pic got deleted before her eyes.

She COULD have let me pack up and go WITHOUT the final remark "And if ever a photo of our company should show in the paper or so, I know who took it!"

THAT bit was power play...

Interesting! I would have to wonder whether the company had something to hide from more than just another company.

By the way, the company could do NOTHING about any photo that showed up in a paper anyway. Freedom of the press applies in this situation.

The photos were also your property, so they had NO right to ask you to delete them.

Bottom line is KNOW YOUR RIGHTS and exercise them.

skieur

 

[skieur]

Going back to a property or continuing an activity on private property when asked to leave or because the security guard didn't "word" his sentence right is childish, especially when you shouldn't be there. Now if you're on public property and some one is asking you to leave, then it's a different matter.

In law, not leaving when asked to leave private property means that you are automatically trespassing. When it comes to public property, there is little difference. You can still be charged with trespassing for being in a school, if you are not a teacher, parent, student, or someone authorized by the school board to be there. You can be charged with trespassing for not leaving when asked to leave a public campground, park etc. by someone representing the city, province, state, or federal authority that owns the property. The only obvious exception is being out on the street, that I can think of, at the moment.

skieur

 

[Overread]

Its an important point that (appears this applies in both US and UK law as well) even a police officer cannot tell you to delete photos without a warrent - infact I think they cannot even ask to view the photos without a warrent allowing them to do so. Of course being polite helps a lot - so allowing them to see the photos is not much to argue over - as for deleting depends how much free time you have (it means down to the station and more probably if they are serious) Just stay happen that they have far more paperwork to fill out

 

[Dao]

I works for a data center. And one time, I noticed a person accompany with my client took some pictures inside the data center. I have no choice but asked him not to take any photos and delete the images he just took. (We had a sign outside the door saying no video or still image photography.)

I did explain in details to him why we do not allow such activities. (of course for security reason). And he showed me what he took, smile and delete them because he knows if someone else take pictures of his equipment or network, we will do the same thing.


Question: If I had a sign saying no photography in our private properties, can I legally ask someone to erase the images they took (for digital) or do something with the film?

 

[Overread]

not sure on that one - although if the sign is in clear view then chances are even if you can't request deletion getting the police and a warrent to have the photos deleted would not be a problem.

 

[MikeBcos]

Question: If I had a sign saying no photography in our private properties, can I legally ask someone to erase the images they took (for digital) or do something with the film?

I very much doubt there is any law prohibiting you from asking someone to delete photographs, your problems would only start if they refuse, there wouldn't be much you could do personally.

And if someone really wanted those photographs having to delete them is no big deal, the old DOS "undelete" command still works just fine.

 

[Overread]

true - card memory recovery software can restore deleted photos provided that the card is not written to or formatted after the deletion