Illogical purchase.

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  1. passerby

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    There are always good and bad in buying second hand goods. But when we shed plenty of money so we can use the seconhand goods, than to me it is illogical move.

    Here is what we heard from reading around.

    It is wrong move to buy the nikon d40 because it is restricted with newer lenses only. There are milllions of nikon lenses out there waiting to be snatched at bargain prizes.

    So people spend something like almost $1000 more, or more than $1000 for the camera that can utilizes the old lenses? I don't get it.

    Ok let see what you think.
     
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    The reason is that the D40 is a consumer camera; it was never intended for the person that is going to be putting much more than the kit lens or a new lens on it.

    Most people I know that have it bought the 18-200 mm and never change the lens.
    Now I am not saying that it is not a capable camera, it is, but it is just restricted to the newer lenses with the motors built into the lens if you want auto focus, if not you can use any lens on it.
     
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    I have a Minolta 7D that uses lenses from 1985
    it's called not shooting yourself in the foot

    when a manufacturer changes the mounts on the cameras pretty much lock out their old user base forcing them to either buy another brand or replacing all their glass

    Honestly if Minolta (now Sony) does that I'd scrap them in a heart beat and go with canon I have 6 good lenses that are the Minolta AF mount I'd be pissed if they changed the mount or locked me out of using my old Glass.
     
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    They did not change the mount, they just did not put an auto focus motor in the body. All of the old lenses work, but are manual focus.
     
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    i think your question is "why use an old lens on something new"
    the idea being that old lenses are inherently bad....

    well, that is not true. Nikon (and im sure canon and pentax) has not changed the design on some of their lenses in 20+ years.
    for example, nikons new 20mm f2.8 prime lens uses the same 12 elements in 9 groups as their 1980 version. Their 50mm lens has not changes in something like the last 50 years. the old 105mm f2.5 nikon lenses are considered to be some of the nicest lenses ever made. So i can buy a used 50mm lens on ebay that has the exact same optics as their newest 50mm lens. and honestly, in some cases, the older lenses have better build quality. I would much rather have a 20mm f2.8 AIs from the 80's then the new 20mm AF lens. The older one has better build quality, and the exact same optics.
     
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    oh the way it was typed along with the way I read and understood it was that the older lenses could not be used at all

    Still sucks for the owners of all the original glass though. I'd still be pissed if all my AF lenses suddenly became MF lenses cause they changed the design.
     
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    That is why it is always good to know what your are buying when you buy it.

    I love the people that buy the D40 and then get pissed when they cant use their dads lenses on it...:lmao:
     
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    I feel like the D40 (& D40X) is a scam, Nikon lures you with a super cheap camera, then wants you to spend big with $1000 lenses.
     
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    hmm I have a d40 and do not think its a illogical purchase.

    [​IMG]AF-S (Silent Wave Motor) LensesAF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 12-24mm f/4G IF-ED AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED - NEW! AF-S DX NIKKOR 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR - NEW! AF-S Zoom-NIKKOR 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR - NEW! AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G ED II AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S DX VR Zoom-NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mmf/2.8G ED - NEW! AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S Zoom-NIKKOR 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED AF-S DX Zoom-NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED AF-S DX VR Zoom-NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED AF-S Micro-NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED - NEW! AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR Micro-NIKKOR 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED AF-S VR NIKKOR 200mm f/2G IF-ED AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 200-400mm f/4G IF-ED AF-S NIKKOR 300mm f/4D IF-ED AF-S VR NIKKOR 300mm f/2.8G IF-ED AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8D IF-ED II AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8G ED VR AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4D IF-ED II AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/4G ED VR - NEW! AF-S NIKKOR 600mm f/4D IF-ED II AF-S NIKKOR 600mmf/4G ED VR - NEW!

    I have 18-55mm, 55-20mm, 50mm 1.8, and so far very pleased with the options of lens available for the d40. I can use almost lens on the camera just fine, then again I do not really care for the autofocus since I have gotten really good manually focusing with my lenses.

    My next purchase will be a nikon 10.5 fisheye or a sigma 12-20 wide angle lens.

    Plus buying this entry level dslr has taught me many things about shutter speeds and apertures and stuff I did not really know before. It basically kept me interested in photography and did not intimidate me. If i went off and spent the $900-$1,000 on the d80 kit i would probably be kind of put off or something. I really dont seeing the d80 a big enough difference for the photography i need. besides the 10.2mp and 6mp difference even though ive printed 11x14s from my 6mp and was amazed by the quality and clarity. Don't get me wrong I would love to own a d80 but I am very pleased and happy with my d40.

    I look at it this way as buying a car. Sure you can buy the ferrari(d300) or the aston martin(d80) but im happy with my 350z(d40) sure it can not perform as good as the other 2 but it still has some HP for a reasonable price. But then again thats just a point of view from a d40 owner
     
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    The D40 viewfinder is not a good viewfinder for manually focusing, even if you have 20/20 eyes. I just hate everything about the D40, D40x , and the new D60 I believe it's called.

    and it's more like
    Point and shoot = used 1980s economy hatchback
    D40 = 10 year old corolla (NOT a 350z) gets the job done but has a problem that lets you down every now and then
    D80 = New Rx-8 or 350z has its fun moments and will serve you in many many application
    D300 = BMW M5 = bells and whistles galore, does everything that you could have ever wanted with performance to boot
    D3 = money is no option, should I take the Lambo or Ferrari to work today?
     
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    any pictures i taken with the d40 manual focus comes at sharp as a ginsu knife. I dont see how its not a good viewfinder for manual zoom.

    For Example: this was manual focus at night
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    This was manual focus in day
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    so i dont know how its a bad viewfinder for it, please elaborate.
     
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    I like to think of my D40 as my SRT-4 Neon; Cheap gets the job done and hurts the feelings of many car owners that paid thousands more just to get manhandled by a Neon. :er:

    I'm assuming your extensive use with the D40 has validated your silly claims that the D40 is hard to manual focus with... I have no problem manually focusing AIS primes with its sub-par viewfinder and my less than 20/20 vision.
     

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