Is Shooting for a Bad Magazine Good?

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  1. benjikan

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    Is Shooting for a Bad Magazine Good?

    Today on a generalist Photo Forum under the Portrait Fashion category, someone from a small independent and in my opinion based on what I saw on their web site, not very good fashion magazine, placed an ad for photographers for their magazine. Now that seemed strange in the first place, which I go on to explain in the copy below. Here is part of the content of her query.

    I have left out the name of the magazine and the name of the person.

    “..We are looking for an up and coming photographer each month to shoot images for our cover. This is an unpaid commission, but provides great exposure as the cover stays on the front page for one whole month..”

    This was my response to her…

    Hello …

    My concern is that if you are coming to a forum to seek out photographers for your magazine, then that speaks volumes about the credibility of your magazine. I have been in this strange business for over 20+ years and do know one thing; the minimum one should know is where the sources are, where the press offices are which agents represent which photographers and what are the agencies representing the models etc. Now, perhaps you are new at this, so I will consider this query as naive, but, I do know that if I had to put a production together and I wasn’t the photographer, I would know exactly where to find them.

    That tells me, that getting exposure in your magazine could be considered poison in disguise, wrapped in a sweet chocolate covered coating. Why? Because anyone in the know would see immediately by the content, layout, choice of talent and advertisers what your standing is in the Fashion community. This may sound cruel and arrogant, but the reality is, in looking at your web site, I would recommend to anyone wishing to shoot for this magazine the following…“Buyer Beware!”

    Getting to shoot for VOGUE, Harpers, Elle, Marie Claire, Numero, V, W, or ID has and never will be a question of “How Much Do I Make?” that is a joke! You couldn’t pay VOGUE enough money to shoot for them! The status associated with doing so is the following…“Once you are in VOGUE, you ARE in Vogue” and your phone will slowly start ringing off the wall to shoot Ad campaigns that command 5 to 6 figure numbers per day. Now let me repeat that, anywhere from 10,000 to 250,000 dollars per day!

    There is a very simple barometer in this business. The less credible the magazine, the more perks and amenities it should provide for the team, as the exposure the team gets may actually be more detrimental to them than if they hadn’t shot for them at all.
    

 If you want a Photographer, Stylist, AD, Make-up or Hair stylist, Set Designer, etc…just order Lebook. Now if you didn’t know about Lebook or other sources for talent, you should NOT be in the Fashion Business. If you want to play the game, learn the rules.

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    Nope. I've been published many times. Just go and show them what YOU can do. Blow them off the page.
    Congrats.
     
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    Ben did you read his post?

    Wow did they respond?
     
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    Please be aware that benjikan shows up on the forum once in a while, makes a speech (sometimes with photos or video), and barely responds to other posts on his threads.

    I don't know what this person is about but from what I've seen so far, I don't care.
     
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    lol aka creepy old guy
     
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    Give him a lil respect...i mean he shoots for Vogue! :er:
     
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    That he does. He is an accomplished photog for sure.

    But the charge is that he shows up and talks at us, not with us. He spams these posts across many websites. Every day I see him show up on a new board it seems (most recently Model Mayhem) with this repeated posts.

    He's merely here promoting himself, he's not here to help...
     
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    Respect is earned! Didn't he just write a whole rant about new photographers. I think that was him.
     
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    Sorry, I don't know this poster or if what he says is fantasy or reality. I was just responding based on my own experience.

    I want all of us to do good!
     
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    Ok, having just re read his response......
    Dude. Where do I begin? If the deal is a good one, you should be happy and shut your yap. I was signed for a book that is sold out on Amazon. Got a great deal. Talking trash about the people who want to, or do endorse you= bad idea. Do you have any idea how much mileage comes from those kind of deals? Maybe. Maybe not. I've gone tons of miles with vendor endorcement deals. I get free web and mag ads. I'm a happy camper.
    I'm not sure I believe you have shot for all these mags. If I did a quick search, and called a few friends of mine, I could prolly find out.
    Now I'm not saying this guy didn't achieve this. You never know who you are talking to on the internet. ;) But in the meantime, I'm gonna call some peeps.
     
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    Sorry I was responding to Bennie not the op.
    I found him quite easily. Looks legit!
     

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