Jill GreenBerg - Manipulator - bad business practices

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    http://www.pdnpulse.com/2008/09/how-jill-greenb.html

    I thought it was funny that she calls him the manipulator. I'm taking no sides politically, but if you have to trick someone to get your shot angled, you have no right to call that person deceitful in my book.

    And if you looked at her pre-manipulator website , all the commercial stuff just looks, commercial, there is no way youd know shes anti republican from looking at her commercial work, which is what she was hired to do.

    After reading the article I feel she is ripping off whomever paid her to take that shot and not doing her best work on purpose, I hope they blacklist her and she gets no more work. That crap gives ALL photographers a bad name.

    Once again do not read into this or bring into it political views. Its about bad business practices
     
  2. Dave, she's one of the most successful photographers in the world - in every conceivable way: price per print, gallery showings, name recognition. She will get all the work she wants, and I'm sure the Atlantic had a pretty good idea whom they were hiring.
     
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    I'm sure Im missing something here on the political nature of portraiture,
    It just doesnt seem like they got what they paid for, I thought the client should always come first, and personal opinions second.

    Why would the editor sign off on her large Bill knowing it was a huge conflict of interest ?. Maybe it was a PR stunt and she was the one fooled and Tooled. Who knows, just sounds weird.

    I just looked at her end times gallery, I had no idea that had a politcal agenda behind it, I only heard all the crying about the ethics of taking candy from kids.
    I guess I need to read up on her gallery work a little more to discover the hidden agendas.
     
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    They paid for her. She's well known and somewhat controversial. If they wanted a straight, flattering portrait they had thousands of other choices, including many who are McCain supporters. I'm sure if there was any breach of contract the lawyers will straighten it out.
     
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    Here's a link to the obituary of Arnold Newman, my favorite photographer. Scroll down until you see "The Face of Evil" for the story behind his being commissioned to create a portrait of German industrialist Alfried Krupp in 1963.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/07/arts/07newman.html
     
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    The way the story was written it sounds like she was being deceptive and downgrading her process on purpose because she doesnt agree politically with her subject. Maybe I'm the only one who took it like that, just doesnt seem professional to me. No matter how good her shots look, I would not like to be decieved on purpose, well nobody does.

    How does her viewpoint that hes a manipulator have any ground now that shes totally manipulated him to put him in an "evil" light, it doesnt make me want to hear her angle, I feel like it downgrades her point to mulch if anything.

    Why would you insult your subjects intelligence in an artcle right after your shoot? For not knowing how strobes work ? I mean theres thousands of people with 1K cameras who have no idea how strobes work.. Lol

    Sorry If Im ranting, it just seems people are willing to do the exact same thing that they are complaining about , usually its a retarted ad homeneim attack and nobody notices.

    Tell me your argument with some background history and fact about what the guys done instead of tricking him, and photochopping him like the inquirer magazine. If anything it downplays her argument if there is really any argument.
     
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    Well if you were put in the same room with Adolf Hitler when the country was still free enough that you could get away with it how would you portray him?

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    :D
     
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  10. The Atlantic is an opinion paper - think of it as one giant Op-Ed page, with longer articles... and a slight left bent.

    Hiring Jill Greenberg for a covershoot is not hiring a photographer, the same way that hiring P.J. O'Rourke for a lead article is not hiring a journalist. She is an artist in her field, as he is an author in his. You get an opinion piece, not work-for-hire.

    David, I think the article is misleading, not her "act." Whoever wrote that blurb about what happened makes it sound more nefarious than it probably was. They're getting more of a kick out of it than anyone else.

    I just think this is a tempest in teacup, as many things are around election time...
     
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    Nice try, but im not touching that with a 10 foot pole
     

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