Ken Rockwell is an idiot: Your camera DOES matter.

Discussion in 'Beyond the Basics' started by anubis404, Apr 2, 2009.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. anubis404

    anubis404 TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2008
    Messages:
    955
    Likes Received:
    0
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos OK to edit
    After viewing Ken Rockwells test of a P&S compared to a 5DmII and a 17-40 F4 in disbelief, I thought I'd do a little test of my own. KR's test pictures look very similar in sharpness, contrast, etc. Mine don't.

    Nikon D70s with Sigma 18-50 F2.8 is the first, the second is with a Casio Exilim 6mp PS. Both with the same exact settings except for F stop (D70s at F3.3, Casio at F3.1)


    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    Need I say more?
     
  2. OregonAmy

    OregonAmy TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2007
    Messages:
    201
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Kansas City MO
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos OK to edit
    I'm not sure you'll get a lot of argument here. It seems pretty clear that Equipment + User makes a big difference; both contribute to the quality of photographs.
     
  3. adolan20

    adolan20 TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2007
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New Hampshire
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos NOT OK to edit
    Yeah I never did enjoy that article he had about it. Most people on here take some of his advice and ignore the rest. After reading that article, it made me think why does he have a D3 then? Why doesn't he just use a $25 camera as he suggested it took better pictures than his D3. It didn't make sense. Oh and the camera actually doesn't matter it depends on the person behind it:mrgreen:. Plus, the Casio doesn't have the metering capabilities that your D70s has.
     
  4. elemental

    elemental TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    646
    Likes Received:
    3
    I can't even say I'd recommend any of his advice, and I'll be a Nikon shooter as of tomorrow. I suspect even the things I agree with just because some of his other statements are so ridiculous. Even if Kanye came up with some great solutions to solve America's deep class, race, gender, and sexual orientation issues, it would be impossible for me to get the look on Mike Myers' face out of my mind ("George Bush does not care about black people"). That's how I feel about Ken Rockwell and photography. Ta=hat said, some of his out west shots are gorgeous.
     
  5. adolan20

    adolan20 TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2007
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New Hampshire
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos NOT OK to edit
    Yeah I enjoy his lens reviews and some of his camera reviews but other than that I'm not too fond of any of his articles. But, he did say in an article that I shouldn't waste my money on the D80. As you can see I clearly didn't listen:mrgreen:
     
  6. dEARlEADER

    dEARlEADER TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    Messages:
    1,312
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Canada
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos OK to edit
    well.... the 1st one is underexposed, the second over exposed....

    why don't you try a little harder?......

    1st by matching the frames so they are identical

    2nd by matching the exposure

    then throw them both out there without labels...
     
  7. Mike_E

    Mike_E No longer a newbie, moving up!

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2007
    Messages:
    5,327
    Likes Received:
    264
    Location:
    The Upper West Side of Mississippi (you have no i
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos OK to edit
    Why do you take the guy seriously when he plainly states that he's joking?
     
  8. nikonpreap

    nikonpreap TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2009
    Messages:
    79
    Likes Received:
    1
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos OK to edit
    Ken Rockwell never produces awful work, only work too advanced for the viewer
     
  9. anubis404

    anubis404 TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2008
    Messages:
    955
    Likes Received:
    0
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos OK to edit
    I'm not debating artistic value, I'm debating image quality.

    Both were on manual, both at 1/1000, F3.1 or 3.3.
     
  10. anubis404

    anubis404 TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2008
    Messages:
    955
    Likes Received:
    0
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos OK to edit
    Minute differences in the exposure and framing do not invalidate my point. The differences are obvious.
     
  11. dcclark

    dcclark TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    480
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Houghton, MI
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos OK to edit
    Well, I'll make the rather obvious statement that the point of his article is not that any two random cameras with the same settings will produce the same photos. It's that, in the hands of a user who knows what they're doing, two different cameras can both produce equally excellent (or poor) images.

    Taking two cameras, fixing the settings, and saying "look, the photos are not equal" says nothing useful at all. If you are experienced enough to understand how both cameras take photos -- how they tend to over or under expose, etc. -- you can make both photos look just fine.

    But more importantly, it's entirely up to YOU as to how well-composed, lit, arranged, etc. the photo is. No camera can do that, and that's the real point of that article. You just took two equally uninteresting sample photos using an expensive and a cheap camera. Did you need a $3000 camera to do that?

    So while I'm not saying Ken is a god or anything, I am saying that you seem to be misinterpreting the point of that article entirely.
     
  12. dEARlEADER

    dEARlEADER TPF Noob!

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    Messages:
    1,312
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Canada
    Can others edit my Photos:
    Photos OK to edit

    umm.... okay then...:raisedbrow:
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

Search tags for this page
ken rockwell
,
ken rockwell hdr
,
ken rockwell idiot
,

ken rockwell is an idiot

,
ken rockwell is an idiot - bing
,
ken rockwell is wrong
,
nikon 24-50mm ken rockwell
,
nikon f301 ken rockwell
,
sigma 17-70 ken rockwell
,
sigma 17-70 review ken rockwell