Mirrorless sales closing the gap on DSLR.

Discussion in 'Mirrorless Cameras' started by fmw, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. tirediron

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    I'd be all over a nice Fuji if they had anything even remotely resembling a decent lens selection.


     
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    What would you call a decent lens selection, in particular? I am waiting for prime F/2 or F/2.8 125mm or 150mm and a prime F4 200mm and I'd be pretty much all set.
     
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    tirediron Watch the Birdy! Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Fast super-teles, high-end, fast mid-range zooms, fast portrait primes, good UWAs, and PC lenses.
     
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    fmw No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    You can adapt any of these to a mirrorless body with inexpensive adapters. The mirrorless cameras, so far, are designed for serious amateurs who don't use these kinds of lenses, not for pros. If I really need a PC lens, I can rent it and adapt it to my mirrorless bodies. Or I can even buy one and adapt it. I already have a Nikon to Fuji adapter that works just fine. No need to worry about extreme wide angles. Fuji already has them in the regular lineup. I assume the other manufacturers do also.

    I moved to mirrorless to have a smaller, lighter system, not to use with fast super teles. It gets down to what you need. My guess is you don't need a mirrorless. Nothing wrong with that.
     
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    I just need cameras. To be honest, I don't care a whit what type it is ('though I really, really REALLY dislike the whole EVF thing) as long as it does the job. Adapters are all well and good, but they're one more piece to complicate the puzzle and source of potential problems. I think if say Fuji and Nikon got together and produced a series of bodies with all of the mirrorless features, and a full line of lenses with all of the Nikon (or Canon) quality and features, every other maker would be dead in the water in short order.
     
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    And even with adapters, most people want AutoFocus. I know for some manual focus allows the most flexibility but I think in general most of the market prefers autofocus.

    Mirrorless has certainly caught up in a lot of capabilities. The latest Sony is proof of that.
     
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    100-400 F/4.5-5.6

    You're well covered with fast primes from ultra wide to medium telephoto. It's the longer stuff where they are a bit deficient. No PC's either, but just get an adaptor for your PC.
     
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    To me, viewing an EVF is no different than looking through a DSLR. A couple of the Fuji models have both optical and electronic finders. Yes, most people want AF. It appears most people need AF. Perhaps someone will develop an adapter to connect AF. There are adapters that provide all the metering modes. I'm not aware of one that do AF. In my experience the Fuji lenses are better than the Nikon lenses but in a narrower line of products as you said. I'm not sure they can do anything Fuji can't do for itself.

    Sony has full frame mirrorless cameras now and seems to be releasing new lenses regularly. Personally I think it defeats the purpose of mirrorless but it may be just the ticket for some DSLR users.
     
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    The speed of an EVF comes into play depending upon what you are photographing.
    A faster moving object? and a slow EVF can be a detriment.
    I briefly looked at the costs, etc of moving to a Sony a9 with the lenses. yikes.

    fyi, SONY has had FF mirrorless for a few years now, since October 2013.

    Before I bought my D7000 years ago I looked at Fuji as they were my actual favorite. But the tech back then was very deficient. So I bought the D7000.

    Now Sony with their latest FF a9 camera seems pretty awesome. Also their lenses are expensive as they keep the quality high. Nikon/Canon, has provide different level of quality of lenses from DX to different levels of FX lenses so their packages are less price sensitive.

    But to me Sony with their hot pixel removal / long exposure software makes it a non-purchase for me right now. So Fuji is my only option that I'm looking at for some point.
     
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    My Fujinon XF lenses, at a minimum are equal to my Canon 'L' lenses, in sharpness and build.
     
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    23mm 1.4, 35mm 1.4, 60mm 2.4, 56mm 1.2, 90mm f2, next year supposedl a 200mm. A lot of photogs are using the 50-140 2.8 for portrait stuff. My favorite lens is the 16mm 1.4 but the 50-140 is gaining ground the more I use it. The 10-20mm is popular with the landscape guys. Like Gary said they are like 1 or 2 slow coming. There is also a 80mm 1:1 2.8 macro coming soon. Rumor has it a 8-16 is coming too. Take a look at the x photograhers website and you can sort images by lens.
     
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    My opinion is that moving to mirrorless just for the heck of it makes no sense. Their advantage is small size and light weight. That is big deal for an old timer like me. They make great images but nothing you can't do with a DSLR. So for me a full frame sensor makes no sense in mirrorless. If you want a big mirrorless with heavy lenses you might as well stay with the DSLR.

    I can go out with light, diminutive camera with a zoom lens on the camera and another one in my pocket and get 90% of the images I want to capture. Or I can carry a small bag with a couple more lenses if I want to get 95%. It isn't about the technology in my view. It is about the ergonomics.
     

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