musing world politics

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  1. Osmer_Toby

    Osmer_Toby TPF Noob!

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    is it just me or does the U.S. give knee-jerk support to israel, regardless of what israel does, even when it's against something the U.S. believes?

    the israelis are being terribly aggressive just when we need them not to be, yet our reaction is always one of utmost, undying support for israel.

    the actions of the idf are killing us on the world stage of propaganda, yet we veto un resolutions calling for the israelis to stop. EVERYONE IN THE WORLD except for the us has stepped up and condemned, among many other israeili policies, targeted killings of palestinian leaders. i'm confused. why do we allow israel to behave thusly and yet still blindly, automatically back them?
     
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    Can we have political discourses in this forum?
     
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    It does say "General OFF topic", but it seems to me Chase has recently put the thumbs down on politics in general. We're pretty civilized even in our disagreement around here, so I could be wrong. :D

    Toby: it's NOT just you, my sweet. :wink: I'll keep it brief till a mod weighs in.
     
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    Yep, thats exactly why I was wondering if the forum encouraged politics!
     
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    Well the thread on gay marriage seemed to stay pretty level headed. Of course I think people might have stronger opinions on this matter. I don't think there is a problem discussing the situation in Israel in the off-topic forum.
     
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    edit-

    this was posted after voods posted just above:

    ok. i can see why it might be good to discourage political topics.
    all i can say is this was not intended to polarize our people here into several camps arguing their point, it really was a simple "wondering out loud" kinda thing. i really do want to know what people think about this, but perhaps here is not the place to ask.


    although, i must point out, it's awful difficult to draw the line- when does a discourse become political? as an example, i point to the thread that evolved into a discussion of education in the us- this became political, no?

    well, anyway, everyone feel free to pass this one right on by... i won't be offended! :D
    (just a reminder- i believe in the way of love, and this "way" includes having respect and love for all peoples of the earth, without reservation) :sun:
     
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    Toby, so you think sending lil children to bomb innocent Israelies can be ignored? How do you think any country to respond to attrocities like that?

    I'm pro/anti no one here. Just opening up with what I have observed!
     
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    i don't recal intimating that, nor do i think suicide bombings should be ignored. quite the contrary.


    just seems to me that by killing in response to killing, all you get is more angry people intent on more killing.
     
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    No, I do not think you took a stand on anything here. Like you mentioned, you were simply thinking out loud. I see that, and I was not trying to 'attack' you!!! :). Was just opening up the discussion, thats all.

    I agree. Its a nice thought. But how practicable is it in the Israel-Palestine crisis where Hamas is bent on wiping out the entire Israeli nation?
     
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    Well it's definately an endless circle of violence.

    But it's definately a sticky situation since Palestinians want nothing less than the entire chunk of land. They will not be happy with anything less. It's been offered yet they refuse.

    But I'm not saying Israel is right either. The way they deal with the situation pisses me off too. I don't like Sharon and he is making the situation worse.
     
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    Sharon might be hoping that aggressive bulldozing would silence the foes in the long run.

    Well, thats to be seen!!
     
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    avoiding the killing of fellow humans can never be impracticable. (i spelled that wrong, huh? :? )

    and before i could answer your last clause, i guess i would need to understand better the reasons why hamas has such deep seeded hatred of israel. again, just to be clear, i absolutely do not condone the tactics of hamas. again, quite the contrary.

    but, are there not two sides to every conflict? and to return us to my original question, why does the us response seem to be almost all in support of just one side?
     

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