My Other Camera is a 5DmkII

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  1. Ysarex
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    I have a hardware problem.

    I retired from full-time college faculty 4.5 years ago and now teach part-time. At that time I had a relatively new Canon 5DmkII with a 24-105mm f/4L and a 200mm f/2.8L. Just this afternoon I took exposure 1420 with the 5D. In other words it's barely used. I purchased it in the year before I retired and once I stopped teaching full-time I also stopped using the 5D.

    I take a lot of photos. I carry a camera with me everywhere I go and take photos all week long. I have a little Samsung EX2 compact that I use constantly. Nearly all the photos that I post here on TPF come from that little compact. The 5D sits in a bag in the closet for months on end. I got it out yesterday and charged the battery. It had been a year since I used it at all. Today I went for a walk in the neighborhood as is my habit and I took the 5D along.

    I took some photos with the 5D. It takes great photos, but I wasn't happy. It's too heavy. It's too big. I got stopped by people who wanted to know who I was working for or what I was doing. That never happens when I carry my EX2. I got home after walking about two miles and I was hurting for having to carry the 5D (I took both lenses).

    Apart from an occasional road-trip or vacation to visit the kids the 5D no longer gets used. My wife says sell it. So I have it sitting here on the desk right now and I think I should sell it and buy an APS sensor mirrorless camera to replace it and maybe I would use that camera. I'm looking at the Fuji X-E2.

    I've never used or really even looked at TPF's Buy/Sell forum. Damn! This is one hard decision.

    Joe
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    Another option could be an Olympus OM-D EM1. I'm hearing nothing but good things about it, and Micro 4/3 has the best lens line up for mirrorless, thus far.
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    I feel your pain! As a Medicare-aged geezer, my downtown Chicago 'walkabout' a couple months ago was cut to only 4 hours account too many aches and pains from carrying a gripped 5D3 w/135 f2L and 24-105 f4L in a Lowepro case hooked to my belt. This getting old stuff is a real pain! So, I've been considering either getting a mirrorless Canon and putting the 24-105 on that or a G15 for less than 'big time' shooting. In other words, I'm considering going your route of carrying a pocket sized camera (OK, a G15 isn't exactly pocket sized). Having moved from film to digital starting with a G3 then G5, I'm still hooked on the G-series cameras! Who knows, maybe my 5D3 will start gathering dust like your mark ii.
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    I got up this morning and listed it on the buy/sell forum. It just doesn't make sense to keep something like that if it's not going to get used. It was really hard to push that submit button. I realize that part of my difficulty is entirely in my head. It's an identity problem. I've been a photographer for nearly 40 years now and part of "being a photographer" is having the right gear -- it's like a uniform. How do I get "photo cred" out of carrying around a Samsung compact -- that's just one step away from using a phone camera!

    I guess I'm going to be a retired photographer now.

    Joe
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    BrightByNature Always learning.

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    Or you could become an advocat on how to get the best damn photographs possible from a Samsung Compact, and use it to show off each and every feature!

    Positives.
    No negatives (no pun intended).
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    Lambert & raven, thanks I've read good things about the OM-D, but I'm not going to drop down to a 4/3 sensor. My compact has a postage stamp sensor I know, but that's been OK since I also had the 5D. One of the big issues here for me is the drop in sensor size and I'm still struggling with the idea of moving down to APS (even though I've basically stopped using the 5D I still have it).

    Sashbar & Derrel, it really is the Fuji X-Trans sensor that's brought me to this point. I've gotten a hold of a number of sample raw files from the X-E1 and X-Pro and now that PhotoNinja and Capture One support the X-Trans sensor I've had a good look at it's performance. It really is impressive. A smaller sensor is a smaller sensor and there's no way to get around some of the ramifications of that, but that X-Trans sensor really is a next-gen cut above. And Derrel, my first lens is going to be the 14mm f/2.8 (assuming I go through with this -- still nervous).

    Joe
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    Ysarex - If the 5D Mk II is too big and heavy and "moving down" to the X-E2's APS-C sensor is problematic, have you considered the full frame Sony A7 ($1998 with the 24-70 f3.5-5.6)?

    Significantly smaller and lighter than the 5D Mark II: Compare camera dimensions side by side

    About the same size and weight as the X-E2: http://camerasize.com/compare/#487,493

    Full frame lenses will generally be heavier, but Amazon says the product weight for the X-E2 with its 18-55 kit lens is only 0.2 lbs less than for the A7 with the 24-70mm.

    This camera seems to hit the sweet spot for sensor size, resolution, high ISO performance, PDAF autofocus speed and compactness.

    Cheers,

    Bill
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    There is a good comparison of Canon 5D3 and X-E1

    Review of the Fujifilm X-E1

    The last update is May 2013 though, so there were some numerous improvements in FUJI hardware since, especially AF. The most significant hardware update was last August.
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    Thanks, I hadn't seen that one.

    Joe
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    ronlane Gone to shoot, be back later.

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    Joe, if you need a tax right off, you can donate it to the needy, I'll be needy for you ;) (Wished I could take it off your hands for you, specially the body and the 24-105L).

    And since you're close, I could probably even hitch-hike up there and pick it up and we could do a photo-walk before I headed by down south. (Oh wait, it's not started snowing up there yet has it?)
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    bratkinson, Ysarex, maybe you two can take heart6 from this interesting column Kirk Tuck wrote not too long ago, after having attended the PDN photo show in NYC recently.

    The Graying Of Traditional Photography And Why Everything Is Getting Re-Invented In A Form We Don't Understand By Kirk Tuck | DIYPhotography.net
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    Too late, we had our first flurries Monday night and woke Tuesday morning to a light dusting in a few spots. Is it still 110 F down there?

    Joe
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    ronlane Gone to shoot, be back later.

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    No, it's actually cold here today (and yesterday). Forecast doesn't look like it's going to warm up anytime soon either.
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    Yep, I read that article and I don't entirely disagree with Mr. Tuck, but I do find a lot of what he says pretty disturbing. In my business (education) we likewise spend a lot of time trying to analyze trends and then make all kinds of future predictions. As a general rule when I see that type of thing going on I try and wind it as far back as possible and look to see if the analyzers haven't based their fantasy trip on some wildly erroneous assumptions. They often do.

    Last semester I had to attend a most painful presentation on the topic of how to relate to our youngest students who were "digital natives" (they love coming up with snappy new terms there). The presenter went through the group and asked us all to identify ourselves as either digital natives, digital outsiders or digital immigrants. When she got to me I flustered her presentation a bit and identified myself as a digital expert. The rest of the IS faculty followed suit. I went on to explain that my understanding of digital technologies and my skill in using them eclipsed that of my 18 year old students and that furthermore I had a much healthier attitude about technology's role in my life and held up my dumb-phone to confirm that it was turned off. Next I told her that I was also concerned about relating to these students and I had concerns about their relationship to technology but that I didn't call them digital natives, I called them the iCrap generation.

    So back to Mr. Tuck here. He's correct that the newest generation of cameras have reached a level of performance sophistication such that the mass market consumers are fundamentally happy with their PHD phone cameras.

    Next level: Back in the day when I used to shoot weddings (that's way back in the day) we used a term we called Uncle Charlie's Curse. It went like this: Jennifer is getting married and she and her Mom are looking over bids from some of the wedding photographers. Dad walks by and looks at the prices on the bids and then blurts out, "Hey Uncle Charlie has a nice camera, I'll bet he'd be happy to take pictures." Today the level of sophistication in the cameras has elevated Uncle Charlie from a pain in *ss to a bona-fide fauxtographer and the proprietor of "Magic Moments" Photography.

    Mr Tuck's argument is that it's only us old farts who previously mastered digital technologies by hand that find this situation disturbing. We'll die off soon enough and then everyone will be happy with iCrap. Well he's right about me; I'll die off soon and I'm not happy with iCrap. I hope he's not right however about the generations behind me and I think my experiences here at TPF bare that out. We see our share of Uncle Charlies come through but for the most part the people who come here and hang around are committed to learning and gaining technical control of the medium. They're unhappy when the automated tech lets them down and bites them in the *ss. They want solutions then that will let them do better. There's always going to be someone who won't settle -- ultimately that's a definition of automation; settling for the mean or mediocrity. Automation can function only because the mean exists. Of course the mass consumer market settles, but those who insist on excellence will persevere (I hope).

    And I hope that also means that before I check out there will still be some decent hardware available for me to use. I'm not tradin' the 5D in on an 5s.

    Joe
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    I think the there from Tuck's article that applies best to your post, and your new mindset, is this one:

    "What it really means for the camera industry is that the tools they offer the new generation must be more intuitively integrated and less about "ultimate." In this world a powerful camera that's small enough and light enough to go with you anywhere (phone or small camera) trumps the huge camera that may generate better billboards but the quality of which is irrelevant for web use and social media. The accessible camera trumps the one that needs a sherpa for transport and a banker for acquisition."

    I think the folks at Fuji have really hit a good balance, aiming at the camera enthusiast/expert market, a market with people who value high-quality lenses, good features, nice looks and styling, and who want it to be smaller and more-portable, more-totable, more-carryable, than a big pentaprism-style d-slr like, say, a Canon 5D Mark II with a fairly good sized 24-105mm f/4 L series zoom...
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    Well Darn. I am due and upgrade on my current phone and could have traded that 5D for a brand new 5S. How about a colorful 5C instead? lol

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