need advise for lighting

[dragsternj]

Hi, new guy here

i am in the process of setting up a little studio and need to purchase some strobes. i am looking at the elinchrome, white lightning as well as the alienbees. i have not really an idea what i have to look for . Studio is not going to be very large. Looking probably at 3 lights, 1 main, one hair and a kicker ?

what is a good solution to get this fired wireless ? also i need a lightmeter? what am i getting? i was looking at one at B&H which also worked wireless.

any help is greatly appreciated

 

[Johnboy2978]

Paul Buff is supposed to be releasing the Einsteins later in Feb. Supposed to have a more consistent output than the AB, though I've never had much issue w/ ABs. If you go w/ AB, White Lightning or Einsteins, they also have a wireless transmitter you can purchase to run it. I have one for mine and it works very well. Can't speak to Elinchrom, but they seem to have a good reputation. Lightmeter, I would recommend Sekonic 258.

 

[dragsternj]

thanks looks like the sekonic may be discontinued. there is a 358

 

[Johnboy2978]

sorry that was a typo. the 358 which sells for about 250.

 

[SpeedTrap]

Where are you located?
If you are not in the USA, Alien Bees might not be the best choice for budget lights.

 

[dragsternj]

i am us based, and i did not know that the lights i am looking at are budget lights. Not even sure what that means ? Is there anything better and if so why are they better?

 

[Johnboy2978]

I wouldn't call them budget per se, perhaps a good value. I think they are a really good purchase for the money. There are many other brands out there from ebay specials (which I would consider budget) to top of the line Briese BRIESE Lighting . I think they are an excellent option for folks who want to give portrait photography an honest attempt while having a really capable product. Later if you still want to continue this, then you can look at the more professional grade. I guess I consider Alien Bee a pro-sumer grade. I think you could certainly use them in professional business (and have seen them in many studios). Many will discount them due to inconsistent output, but I really haven't had that problem with them. I find them to be a good value for the price. I suppose I would now invest in the Einstein line when they come out, but the bees do the job. I'm not sure which is supposed to be superior between the Einstein line and the White Lightning line. All 3 are Paul Buff products though.

With AB you have a continuous control, user replaceable bulbs, and a decent price. What's not to like?

 

[dragsternj]

i was looking at the new einsteins. they seem decent. i am by no means a pro but do not want to be discouraged by bad equipment and loose interest because of it. i will use the equipment sometimes for taking pictures at client locations.

 

[Derrel]

Elinchrom has been making lights for many years. The have some reasonably popular lights, like their D series models. The Paul C. Buff Einstein has been ready to come onto the market for months on end now, but are still not here yet.

For a small studio, the biggest problem is having too much light; in the film days, not enough light was a problem, but now with d-slr cameras often beginning at 200 ISO, lower-powered lights are actually quite useful. In the Alien Bee line, I'd definitely look at the Bee 400 model as being ample for a three-light setup shot in a smaller space, with modern,efficient light modifiers.

For a hair light, I think an excellent one is a strobe fitted with a 7 to 11.5 inch reflector (NOT the Buff long-throw sports reflector in 11 inch!) fitted with a 20 degree honeycomb grid, and a diffuser, and a barn door, for a lot of control. I think many people go overboard on hair lights, and run them far too hot.

 

[dragsternj]

i called Buff the einsteins are supposed to ship by end of month but since they had a waiting list they are not available to purchase for the public for some month according to the sales rep.

so what is my next best option ?


Thanks to all who help.

 

[Derrel]

Something from a company that actually has products for sale: the AB Max was hyped,hyped,hyped,hyped and pre-orders were taken for months on end; then, the AB Max was cancelled and the project was renamed Einstein, and they were supposed to ship in January; then the date was pushed back to February. Now they are telling you that there's a pre-order backlog,and there will be no product that YOU can actually buy, right???? Well--consider that the pre-orders for the next greatest thing from Buff Enterprises (which has been been promised for well over a year now) will divert the first production entirely to those long-suffering Buff fans who are on the Einstein pre-order lists.

If you want to buy lights now, it would make sense to purchase an actual product that is currently available for sale. There are good lights available right now from multiple companies. I would not buy version 1.0 of studio lighting, from any company. What is your budget for lights? $500? $1500? $2100? There are lights at every price point, from $99 per monolight, like Adorama's FlashPoint 620 lights, on up to $700 per light monoblocs from Calumet, and even higher-priced units from other makers.

 

[dragsternj]

i have no real budget maybe around 2 - 2.5 k ? would like to get the receivers and transmitter included if i could, even better a softbox

 

[Derrel]

I would call a large photo store like Calumet Photographic,and ask to speak to a representative in their lighting department. I suggest Calumet because they handle more lighting equipment than just about any store I know of,and they specialize in professional photography supplies and sales.

You need information and opinions. A 2-2.5k budget is ample for a small studio. WHAT,exactly, you need, could vary quite a bit. I personally think that four lights are absolutely necessary for formal portraiture; three lights is not quite enough for the full gamut of lighting options I;'d want to have at my disposal.

Some things "I" think are needed are a 36x48 softbox, two 42 inch enclosed umbrellas, an 11.5 inch reflector with 20 and 35 degree honeycomb grids, a diffuser,and a barndoor, a pair of lights with 50 degree beam spread, snap-on diffusers, a boom stand with counterweight, a 48x72 inch white fabric reflector on a rolling base,with height and angle adjustment, smaller Foam-Core boards with arms for holding, six light stands, backdrop support system, seamless paper rolls. Plus a bunch of clamps and other do-dads.

An experienced sales rep in lighting at Calumet should be able to help you decide what you really need to buy.

 

[dragsternj]

I called and they wanted to sell me the Calumet Travelite Kit. Another brand i never heard of

 

[SpeedTrap]

I called and they wanted to sell me the Calumet Travelite Kit. Another brand i never heard of

It is a good solid kit that has many good reviews out on the net.
I believe they use a Bowens mount so there are lots of good modifiers available for them.

I use Rimelite (Lightrein) and they have the same Bowens mount and I have an almost endless supply of modifiers available to me.

They are good Solid lights and would work well for you.