Well I took the plunge and went to the 5DII. They only had the kit with the 24-105 F/4 L IS. Since I do not own a whole lot of L glass, I thought that this would be OK. I am just getting the battery charged and have not taken any pictures yet but I am really excited. I am planning a trip up to Zion in a few weeks and then over to Napa. What do you think about the "kit" lens? From what I have read, it seems to be a very good lens.