Nicely Denying Digital File Sales.......

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  1. Flash Harry

    Flash Harry No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    This is why I quit pro-photography six years back, cheapskates want it all for zilch and too many digi togs are prepared to let them have their way, tell them you aren't selling and you'd rather delete the file than ever give them it, nobody got negatives back in the day.

    Anyone trying to make a living these days is under-valued by the machine gun 'professionals' out there topping up their own jobs meagre wages by competing on the cheap with people who've sunk their lives into being a legit business, I'd rather be retired than be insulted, bl**dy walmart, stick to your guns.


     
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    Braineack Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    i can hear the dinosaurs dying right now.
     
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    Destin Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    Yep. Adapt or die.

    All those guys that stuck with film are doing great. Right kodak?
     
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    Do you guys make the vast majority of your income from selling your photographs?
     
  5. Flash Harry

    Flash Harry No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Yeah I'm a dinosaur who made plenty dough working that way, think back to 2001 when I charged $20 for a 7x5 in strut mount and sold hundreds per wedding on the night after the 'do' by hand printing one shot while showing 'proofs' I had done at 'walmart', now think about the 10x8 and bigger, I wasn't running my ass off through the week wondering what to spend 40 bucks on that I'd got for my negs, 2004 I turned digital and it took only a few months to see where the photography game was heading thanks to 'togs' like you and Destin and a lot more I met on here around those times, you want to be part of the cheapo economy, I don't.
     
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    Steady on mate; there's no call to get nasty about this! I suspect that a whole lot of wet-plate photographers said more-or-less the same thing when that young whippersnapper Kodak came out with that new-fangled roll-film. "WHAT? Loading more than one frame in the camera at one time? That'll be the death of photography!" The profession survived....

    At the end of the day, times and the whole profession have changed. Like it or not we have to adapt or give up; there really isn't a third option. That does NOT mean however that we can't try and educate clients and show them the benefits of prints over digital. I sell VERY few digital files to my family customers; in fact I would say that it's probably 90-95% print sales over digital files.
     
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    I'm not getting 'nasty' I'm telling it like it is to people who are undercutting others in their area who have no other option than to cut prices and offer similar packages to those already working in other fields. I adapted, it cost me a lot more money to change to digital and nowhere near the returns I made with film precisely because of weekend warriors and 'customers' like the one the OP has who obviously has the money to pay for a canvas from the poster but is a cheapskate and wants the file for pennies.

    I carried on till 2012 as a pro but called it a day because I wasn't commissioned to supply files though everyone and their granny expected those as 'Everybody else does it', those 'everyone elses' are like those above who wouldn't like me telling their bosses I'd do the same job as them for half the price which is basically what they're doing, its little wonder the workforce across the west appears to be on a race to the bottom where income is concerned yet they cant see the reason why, this is the reason and only the wealthiest are profiting from it.
     
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    No, I don't. But I very likely could if I didn't have a great career that I love. I have a registered business. I have liability and equipment insurance. I shoot with professional equipment.

    I don't really see how that is relevant. If I do a senior portrait shoot for $350 and give the client files, and you do a senior shoot for $500 that includes a print package, who made more money? Neither. We probably both made the same because you have lots of product cost tied up in the prints. If I can make the same amount of money for less work and less taxes paid, then why wouldn't I? It's just sound business.

    You sell your client prints and they're just going to scan them and post them online and reprint them anyway most of the time, so the argument that they'll come back to you for prints in the future doesn't really hold water anymore.

    You're all free to run your businesses how you want. But to imply that photographers who adapt and sell clients what they're asking for are "ruining the industry" is hogwash. Fauxtographers who sell all the digital files for $75 and put out subpar work while carrying no insurance and paying no taxes on their photo income are hurting the industry. Legitimate photographers who are simply selling the client the product they're asking for aren't hurting anything, except maybe the ego and income of photographers who refuse to adapt.
     
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    My ego not bruised, like I stated the problem is everyone with a digital camera is now a pro-photographer come the weekend and whether you like it or not its harmed the industry, I pulled out because of that as I can't afford to compete here in the UK with some kid offering to do a wedding with all files on disc for 200 quid, even those who mess them up, its not even worth getting out of bed for and I sure as hell ain't going to pay insurances/taxes etc on top of what I've already lost on renewing gear every couple of years, it just wasn't worth it.

    I jacked it in back then and another local took my place, high st studio, lots of gear etc etc, he's gone to the wall already. Business is to make money, not to do with 'something you love' oh its a bonus if you enjoy what you do but first and foremost its about success and when your success is being undermined its time to cut and run.
     
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    If your clientele is only interested in the price, then perhaps it's not you who is failing but your marketing is. Not everyone is interested in just a low price. There's folks out there who are willing to pay more for a better product.

    Reinvent your marketing strategy, identify your target market and head in that direction instead. Promoting yourself as WalMart Photography is merely a race to the bottom. And it's like being a drug dealer.... every time one gets taken off the street, there's 25 more who will merrily take their place.

    Improve your product, charge more, work less, make more money............... and be happy.
     
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    The product was always spot on, its the 'charging more' in a 'deprived area' which doesn't work and I'd had my fill of city life after ten years in London, I moved back to my home town 300 miles north after taking several bookings there and thought I'd continue till retirement in the area, I didn't come into this as a hobbyist and spent money retraining in digital image manipulation while digital pro cameras were knocking out a few megapixels and consumer cameras were at the 1mb image stage, I didn't even consider turning digital till the output was 12mb, around 04-5, there were few hobbyists offering services which could compete back then but since the crash it seems people only want 'cheap', I'm not and I'm not relocating again chasing money.
     
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    Finding those folks is the trick, innit?

    I have in past posts advocated educating one's potential clients as to what is good and what is not so good.

    Like any similar endeavor, that takes time, patience, skill, and a customer who is willing to undergo the learning process.

    So never mind.
     
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