I'm somewhat new the photography...I've been kicking the idea of getting a SLR for awhile now and I'm finally ready to bit the bullet..I signed to for some classes in the spring, so now all I need is a camera.. I went to look at both today.. I couldn't really get a good feel for them with all of the security stuff attached.. I'm now in debate between the 30D and the D80.. From what I understand the 30D has some better options and is more of a semi-pro camera... and a more sturdy body.... The D80 on the other hand has probably all the options I'll need for the time being and a cheaper price tag.. I also liked that it comes with a better lens...which is probably the biggest selling point to me... so at this point I'm still leaning towards the D80.. In comparing shutter speeds.. The 30D is also twice as fast 1/8000 compared to the 1/4000 of the D80.. Will this matter much to a beginner like me? I'll be shooting various things from landscapes to sportbikes on the track..I would like to get into photography not just as a hobby, but also to supplement my income.. So I need a good enough camera that when I cross those tracks from a hobby to taking pictures for someone... I won't have to upgrade because of the lack of options.. Anyone used both that can give me a good comparison between the two?