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  1. Bitter Jeweler

    Bitter Jeweler Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    ...Civil War re-enactment.

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    Pictures are on pages 2 and 3!

    I never shoot people, so this could be a fun experience. My question, if you look at my sig to see my gear, is if I were to rent a better lens, what would you recommend? I am thinking I should rent a better long zoom, since my 55-250 is slow and soft. Should I just wing it with what I have? Should I rent a second camera body to keep 2 lenses "On"? I am not getting paid for this, this is an offer made available to my photo club. The historical society is giving us rights to our images, with due credit, and wants copies of our images with rights to use in publication, marketing, archiving, etc.

    I think this is a fantastic opportunity, and I want to give it my best shot.

     
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  2. KmH

    KmH Helping photographers learn to fish Supporting Member

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    Huh? Once you trip the shutter you own all the rights to your images, even if made on private property.
    Who will see the credits?
    That could be worth thousands, if not 10's of thousands of dollars over a several year period. Commercial Use Licenses don't often run for more than 12 months. This sounds like forever.

    Ok, but from a business perspective something doesn't add up here for me. I get the feeling there are missing details about how the Hale Farm and Village makes out in this deal and the relationship with the historical society.

    IMO, at the least, you, and each member of your club, should have a contract going in, stating the specific terms. Deals like this are not good for the industry.
     
  3. musicaleCA

    musicaleCA TPF Noob!

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    If they aren't a charity, you'd better be getting paid for those images. I wouldn't accept less than what KmH has roughly quoted here. I have to agree that anytime people with cameras take photos for free, it's bad for the industry. Hell, I was undercut by someone recently; a friend offered to do a photoshoot for free. Thing is, in deference to them being a poor artist like myself, I offered a deal that wouldn't have really amounted to much for me (maybe, if I worked fast, I would've made minimum wage for my time; sheesh). So, doing stuff like this hurts those trying to make a living at it. :-/

    When they offer due credit, it had better darn well be in writing, with very, very explicit and clear terms. Terms that are explicit to the point of font size, or relative aspect ratio to the image, or whatever. And it should be in writing exactly what text should be used to give credit (a simple "© <year> <name>" has worked for me), and exactly where such text must be placed in relation to the printed/displayed image (say, directly below the image, or in the bottom right corner of the image. Else they could put it in fine print at the bottom of the page, and no one's going to see that.
     
  4. Bitter Jeweler

    Bitter Jeweler Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    Oh, Ok then. I won't go.

    This is a deal between the historical society and the photo club.
    They are waiting for a final agreement.
    I am not privy to all the info at this time, since I am new, but it is my understanding that the club has worked hard to get to be able to photograph this event, from a stand point that the visitors don't get.

    But thanks for answering my questions, you guys are awesome.
     
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  5. musicaleCA

    musicaleCA TPF Noob!

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    Hey, no one said you shouldn't do it period. Just get your eggs in order before you do. ;)
     
  6. DScience

    DScience No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    dude if u want to go, then go. who cares about the industry....some of us are in it for other reasons than $$$$.
     
  7. Derrel

    Derrel Mr. Rain Cloud

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    I would think about renting a lens that could give you some good photos from longer distances, so I would specifically suggest the 100-400 Canon zoom lens, which will allow you to get good,selective photos from the distances that I 'expect' they will keep the photographers from the action.
     
  8. Gaerek

    Gaerek TPF Noob!

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    What do you do for a living? How would you feel if people did your job for free? That would mean you would either:

    a) be out of a job.

    b) at the very least, be paid less for your work.

    People who get paid to take photographs aren't hobbyists. While you are sitting in an office in front of your computer (or whatever you do for a living) being paid, these people are out shooting, or editing, or whatever, making money to eat. When they get paid, it's not just "extra money." It is their paycheck that pays for them to live.

    Is it about money? Yes. Is it about greed? Not in the least. It's about food on the table, and a roof over the head.

    I'm not a professional photographer. I do this for fun. But I for one am happy that there are people who can make a living doing this. I know I would be upset if people did my job for free.
     
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    i dont know if its an option, but if it was me, I would go, shoot the event, and keep the pics for myself, for my portfolio... but it sounds like the agreement (a crappy one BTW) is that, if your shooting, you have to give the images to the hosts..

    but if your able to do it without handing your photos over, it would be a great opportunity to learn, and to add some cool shots to your portfolio.
     
  10. mishele

    mishele Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Bitter........go for it man!!! I cant wait to see some of the pics!! Forget about the "getting paid" thing. If its not you doing it for free they will find someone else for free. I live near Gettsburg so the whole reenactment is pretty cool! Just have fun!!
     
  11. tirediron

    tirediron Watch the Birdy! Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I would want a little more information on such things as how close to the action and how many people will be involved before I spent too much money on extra gear. That said, if you're willing to drop a few dollars, than by all means, the 100-400 sounds like an excellent choice. I would recommend a monopod to go with that, since even if it is a VR/IS lens, it's gonna get 'freakin' heavy after a while. I would also suggest considering something in the 24-70 range, since you may want to capture a larger segment of the action rather than just counting the Colour Sargeant's nosehairs! ;)
     
  12. inTempus

    inTempus TPF Noob!

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    While I've never shot a Civil War re-enactment I have shot a WWII re-enactment this year.

    Here are the pics:

    inTempus Photography- powered by SmugMug

    I would bring the 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 IS and 55-250mm 4-5.6 IS. Chances are you'll leave the 55-250 attached the whole time. I shot pretty much exclusively with the 70-200. I had my 17-40 handy for some close-up creative shots and my 24-70 too. I carried everything around in a Newswear vest.
     

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