Racism, artistic brilliance, or coincidence?

[Tasmaster]

GeorgeUK that part was so over-the-top that it didn't even register until you quoted it.

 

[Helen B]

"Racism, artistic brilliance, or coincidence?"

None of the above three. It's just a cover of Vogue, intended to sell copies of the magazine, with an edgy surface so that the readers can feel comfortably and smugly hip. Leibovitz's recent work has been desperately pedestrian, and this is no exception.

Best,
Helen

PS I've seen the next frame she took. It's much funnier. Gisele's heel has made contact with LeBron's crotch, and he has knocked the ball off its stand.

 

[rob91]

The image of King Kong isn't exclusive to that army ad with the caption "Destory This Mad Brute". Take away the caption and it's just an imitation of pop culture, and yes, Lebron is suitably king kongesque for the imitation to work.

"Racism, artistic brilliance, or coincidence?"

None of the above three. It's just a cover of Vogue, intended to sell copies of the magazine, with an edgy surface so that the readers can feel comfortably and smugly hip. Leibovitz's recent work has been desperately pedestrian, and this is no exception.

Well said Helen.

 

[Rick Waldroup]

"Racism, artistic brilliance, or coincidence?"

None of the above three. It's just a cover of Vogue, intended to sell copies of the magazine, with an edgy surface so that the readers can feel comfortably and smugly hip. Leibovitz's recent work has been desperately pedestrian, and this is no exception.

Best,
Helen

PS I've seen the next frame she took. It's much funnier. Gisele's heel has made contact with LeBron's crotch, and he has knocked the ball off its stand.

Helen, what do you think happened to Annie? Is it age? Is it that she has become settled in to her status position in life? Or has she become an icon that is now seemingly easy to ridicule?

 

[Alex_B]

Helen, what do you think happened to Annie? Is it age? Is it that she has become settled in to her status position in life? Or has she become an icon that is now seemingly easy to ridicule?

she also has to serve what the market demands ... and in many cases demand is declining for interesting artsy stuff. Just give them easy images, ... many of the people running the magazines do not understand fine nuances anymore.


(ok, I know I am not Helen, but still I wanted to comment )

 

[Clutch]

If that magazine article were the worst type of racism in the world that can provoke all this discussion what a wonderful world we'd live in.

Living in a rural area of south Louisiana I see racism still on a shocking level. Hearing someone use the "N" word is a daily occurrence. I work in an industrial vocation and it's commonplace - even the norm and expected- that the faces in the office are all white, the supervisors and foreman are all white or nearly so. The "grunt" work in the shop is easily 80% African-American and Mexicans on work visas. The only African-American office employee is the owner's wife's assistant. Though not a bad job for a single mother it's a subservient role. The only explanation I have for this commonplace practice is racism. This is but one paragraph mentioning just one aspect of an immensely complex social disorder.

Watching close hand what happened in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina (I live 75 miles from NO, about 55 miles straight line) the gap between middle class whites and poor blacks was clearly delineated. Middle class white neighborhoods in New Orleans have not only come back to life but even beginning to thrive. The poor working class neighborhoods of New Orleans are destroyed and being threatened with complete destruction by bulldozer. Again, it's so complex I can't even take the time or effort to write it all out.

However, the problem will never go away unless it's addressed and at the least I commend everyone in here who has made wise, unbiased and compassionate comment(s). You are part of the solution and not part of the problem.

Remember, photography has done wonders for awakening all of us to the sadness and unjust nature of racism.

FYI... I'm as white as they come - Cajun-German ancestry - and if I can see it with my blue eyes then it should be pretty obvious I'd think.

Thanks for letting me vent on/off subject

Credit: Fact-esque

Credit: The Black Republican

 

[Socrates]

Remember, photography has done wonders for awakening all of us to the sadness and unjust nature of racism.

You posted photos that are not only forty years old but also out of context. Why?

 

[Clutch]

You posted photos that are not only forty years old but also out of context. Why?

I don't think they were out of context with the comment you quoted. "Done" would denote already or partly accomplished as opposed to "doing" as in a work in progress.

Yes, the photographs are 40ish years old but that in no way diminishes the story being told in the images themselves. Images like the two I posted helped tremendously to raise public awareness. Nothing, including racism, is as ugly when you don't have to see it.

Photographs can be timeless in the story they tell or in how they affect us. Take Joe Rosenthal's image of five marines raising the U.S. flag over Iwo Jima. It's over sixty years old yet still griping in it's ability to tell a story in a single image.

Just my opinion but the more of the 5 Ws (who, what, when, where & why) a photograph can answer the more interesting the photo becomes.

We all have our own take on things.

 

[Iron Flatline]

Thanks Clutch, I like your post and agree with your sentiment on this.

 

[Rick Waldroup]

she also has to serve what the market demands ... and in many cases demand is declining for interesting artsy stuff. Just give them easy images, ... many of the people running the magazines do not understand fine nuances anymore.


(ok, I know I am not Helen, but still I wanted to comment )

Thanks Alex, I always welcome your take on things.

 

[Socrates]

I don't think they were out of context with the comment you quoted. "Done" would denote already or partly accomplished as opposed to "doing" as in a work in progress.

Yes, the photographs are 40ish years old but that in no way diminishes the story being told in the images themselves. Images like the two I posted helped tremendously to raise public awareness. Nothing, including racism, is as ugly when you don't have to see it.

Photographs can be timeless in the story they tell or in how they affect us. Take Joe Rosenthal's image of five marines raising the U.S. flag over Iwo Jima. It's over sixty years old yet still griping in it's ability to tell a story in a single image.

Just my opinion but the more of the 5 Ws (who, what, when, where & why) a photograph can answer the more interesting the photo becomes.

We all have our own take on things.

Your photos were out of context because they did not, in any way, relate the words in your post.

After forty years, the photos DO lose their validity when you try to use them to prove your opinions regarding conditions today.

 

[salexander867]

One can see racism wherever one wants to see racism. Maybe I am missing something, but the Army recruiting poster is using a familiar social image (King Kong) to represent a threat to America (Kong is stepping on “America”). If one recognizes the German military head gear and the fact that culture is spelled with a “K”, it becomes obvious, especially in the context of what was going on during that period, that Kong represents the German threat (not blacks). Was the Army in a war against the black population? Why would they be recruiting soldiers based on a fear of black culture?
I think some might be offended by the tie between Kong and a strong black man (the article is Secrets of the Best Bodies), but I don’t think the photo has any meaning beyond a reference to an iconic image. You can read into it whatever you want. One could make the argument that Leibovitz was commenting on how the hip-hop culture is destroying the NBA. But then one would expect the article to speak to that issue. The article is about fitness.
The bottom line for me is that Leibovitz was just trying to recreate a piece of history or perhaps she just subconsciously stole the image. How often do you see photos and realize that you have seen the same setup before?

 

[Fiendish Astronaut]

I wasn't sure about this - but really interesting responses. I think this goes to show how interesting photography can be and what a great art form it is. I've no idea if Annie meant this image to look similar and even if she did I'm certain she wasn't trying to make a racist point. But then if she did make this deliberately similar she must also have been making some statement about racial imagery - such a comparison is just too close to the bone to be something she'd be happy to use as an aesthetic template and nothing more.

 

[Mike_E]

Looks like another case of creative plagiarism to me.

 

[passerby]

The racial profiling by one group to another group has no scientific foundation to support their claim. I have chats few times in person with individuals who have the feeling of superiority over others. It did not take long to undo their dogma. Most of these racist individuals are un informed individuals, who are in the midst of confusion trying to find their lack of identity. It is "feel good" by doing self brainwashing - that there are inferior groups in existance out there. Discussing it among themselves about other people as inferiors is an uplifting method.

IF the photographer or any person who invented these posters above had racist intention or inclination in it, than I think he/she never heard what is the meaning of DNA called Mitochondrya, or Mitochondrion.

Here is the story of little animals known as Syrian hamster that numbering in millions today world wide. They are not one colours, so what are their origins?

All Syrian hamsters in captivity (today) are descended from a mother and her twelve pups who were dug out of a burrow near Aleppo, Syria, in 1930.

http://www.midlandhamsterclub.co.uk/hamster/syrian.html