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  1. abraxas

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    The word I have in mind; "Fake."

    How why and when do you use it, what does it mean to you?

    I see it as a word used with purely negative connotation. Occasionally if not rarely appropriate, but I see it used on TPF with such frequency that I wonder if it is used for lack of an adequate vocabulary.

    Are there alternatives that would better describe thoughts, or is "fake" the word of choice?
     
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    Fake you? Fake off? Fake-rying out loud? :lmao:

    To me it just means 'not genuine'. But I'm old fashioned - gay still means happy to me :mrgreen:
     
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    Here's a few definitions;

    something that is a counterfeit; not what it seems to be

    forge: make a copy of with the intent to deceive; "he faked the signature"; "they counterfeited dollar bills"; "She forged a Green Card"

    imposter: a person who makes deceitful pretenses

    fudge: fake or falsify; "Fudge the figures"; "cook the books"; "falsify the data"

    bogus: fraudulent; having a misleading appearance

    bull****: talk through one's hat; "The politician was not well prepared for the debate and faked it"

    not genuine or real; being an imitation of the genuine article; "it isn't fake

    anything; it's real synthetic fur"; "faux pearls"; "false teeth"; "decorated with imitation palm leaves"; "a purse of simulated alligator hide"

    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
    ( google: define:fake )


    So "not genuine" is a definition.


    not fake or counterfeit; "a genuine Picasso"; "genuine leather"

    not pretended; sincerely felt or expressed; "genuine emotion"; "her interest in people was unfeigned"; "true grief"

    actual: being or reflecting the essential or genuine character of something; "her actual motive"; "a literal solitude like a desert"- G.K.Chesterton; "a genuine dilemma"

    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
    ( google : define:genuine )
     
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    The proper, non negotiable book definition from the OED unabridged is as follows:

    "An act of ‘faking’; a contrivance, ‘dodge’, trick, invention; a ‘faked’ or ‘cooked’ report. Passing from slang to colloq. in the sense of ‘a counterfeit person or thing’."

    And I don't care much about real or fake except with regard to boobs.
     
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    :thumbup:

    All the definitions so far have a negative 'feel' to them.

    Most of the examples in context I see in the threads seem to imply this negativity. Overall, with a few exceptions, the word is out of place and a positive replacement could be used with relatively little effort. I'm just wondering if users mean to be so prickish?

    For example:

    "Enhanced boobs", can be a good thing- very cool in fact.

    "Fake boobs", sound like something a pervert keeps in his sock drawer.

    and the word "boobs", well that's just awesome.
     
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    True, but in practice this is more of an ethical problem you seem to have than a semantic one. That is to say, the word "fake" is a relatively negative word semantically speaking. Whether it's appropriate to use it, or okay to risk hurting someone's feelings is an ethical dilemma, not a semantic one.
     
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    Ok, my bad, "appears to me to be" rather than "is."

    Then I would think people who use the word are intentionally negative or unaware of their usage?

    When I use the word fake, I use it to mean "meant to decieve."

    I just see it thrown around a lot in the forums and would like to understand how it is meant.

    HVR's "not genuine" helps.
     
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    I think contrived is a good way to put it. That opens up a whole other can of worms in that all photos are theoretically contrived.

    I think we are shooting ourselves in the foot if we start critically analyzing words that people use. We are basically typing at each other. Not like it is a real conversation. I think if we try and understand what someone is (maybe pathetically) getting at we will have a lot more fun.

    Love & Bass
     

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