Tell me why: D300s / 7D

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    Lets assume I have no money invested in either system;

    I'm looking for a new camera. I'm a photojournalism student, I currently work for the school newspaper (which is a pretty good one), I shoot a lot of events both indoors and outdoors- day and night, sports are always a possible assignment, I also shoot more creative stuff for hobby.

    I'm currently at a crosspoint where I am shooting more seriously and more often. I am also at a point where I have ot start taking my gear more seriously and start buying stuff with the future in mind as well. I'm currently a nikon guy but I'm more than willing to switch to Canon right now if it seems like the better route.

    The two cameras I'm considering are the D300s and the 7D. Why or why shouldn't I buy either one? I'm learning toward the 7D right now.

    Thanks folks
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    Could be debated all night... it comes down to a few features on either end and which are the most important to you.

    I chose the D300s mainly for the 51 point auto focus and dual card slots, the Geotagging capability is nice as well. 720p HD video is plenty for my needs, and a secondary consideration when choosing my camera. Some say it's worthless, but I'll never buy another camera without video ability.
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    video is becoming increasingly more important for photojournalists with the amount of web stuff you're responsible for these days... that makes the 7D pretty appealing.

    In reality, which ever of these two cameras I end up buying, it'll become a backup camera in 2 or 3 years when I get out of school and move into something full.

    So I guess my question is a little less about the body and more about the two systems. I know this sounds like a trite Nikon/Canon debate, but I'm hoping my specific needs make it lean a little more in either direction.

    The fact that every assignment I've gone on this year where I'm bumping elbows with people from The Associated Press, and big news papers, and ESPN and stuff are al using Canons with L lenses attached has been a little influential.
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    see you guys are just giving him more info to sift through...im just gonna say it.. get a nikon because i have one and thats why you should too....No reason why i cant back up my decision so yeah. just buy the nikon lol
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    Either will serve your needs. It's a personal decision really. There's nothing we can tell you that will really help. You'll get people who own Canon telling you why Canon is a good choice, and you'll get people who own Nikon telling you why Nikon is a good choice.

    The fact is, people make a living using both brands, so pick the one that works for you. If you like the 7D, get the 7D.
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    how about glass and accessories though?

    where's the advantage there?
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    Canon lenses are generally a bit cheaper on average right now.

    Nikon makes slightly better wide lenses, Canon makes slightly better telephoto lenses.

    Both brands produce fantastic top-range lenses, and differences are only really seen by looking pixel for pixel on a giant monitor.
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    They both have comparable lens offerings. If you want affordable f/4 lenses that are high quality, Canon has the corner on that market. If you want the best wide angle lenses, Nikon has the corner on that market. If you want modestly priced high quality telephoto lenses, Canon generally gets the nod.

    Now that the 7D has Canons version of Creative Lighting, that's taken that advantage away from Nikon - at least leveled the playing field.

    Canon's glass is generally more affordable. Price a Nikkor 24-70 and a Canon 24-70. You'll see about a $500 (25%) price difference.

    As for accessories in general, both have tons of options offered both by the manufacturer and by a large 3rd party community. Neither has the advantage there... they're both hugely popular.
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    the things I keep hearing from people since I told them I've been interested in Canons is that Canon's have soft focusing, aren't as good at high ISO, and have bad flash syncing.

    On the other hand, people also tell me that Canon L series lenses are about "incredible."
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    Also keep in mind if you get a 7D with non FX lenses, and later upgrade to a FX camera, those lenses wont work.
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    Not that I'm a pro - not by any means. I have a Nikon and love it. I've used a few different Canons and didn't like them at all, so I'm a little biased. Anyways.

    I don't think I would ever get the 7D, based on this review:

    The Canon EOS 7D Review « Darwin Wiggett

    Hope you take that into consideration when making your decision.
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    both cameras are amazing! consider the investment you are making will go further than just the body and that in a few years you'll have to upgrade again and that the Lens you are gonna be getting are more important. and that is why I went with Nikon D300s. I love the camera and will have it for life, but at the same time I know in a few years I'll be itching to get the D4 or D5!!! anyways, both cameras are incredible and its comes to a personal choice! go to a store and play with both of them and see which one you "CLICK" with!!!! some click with Nikon and some with Canon! good luck with you choice and you will be happy with either!
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    Not every review is filled with dislike for the 7D...: Canon EOS 7D Digital SLR Camera Review and Canon 7D worse than Canon Rebel XSI? | Pro Photo Home

    As it says in the technical notes of your link, the "mushy" look is due to the strong anti-aliasing filter the 7D uses. So.... set the recording sharpness higher and your problem is solved. Pretty much all other nitpicky issues people have with the 7D can be taken care of with simple firmware updates.
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    Soft focus and not good at high ISO?

    http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/nature-wildlife/184531-why-i-bought-my-7d.html

    I dunno ...I'm pretty happy (and this wasn't L glass). I didn't enter the Nikon vs. Canon debate, however, as I had already sunk a fair amount into EF glass for my 30D.
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    I'm not sure if this comes into play, but if you've already got a decent number of Nikon lenses, you may want to stick with Nikon to save cash.
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    Well, you currently shoot Nikon, so you might as well stick with them. You'll have the superior controls and ergonomics Nikon has, with the almost-invisible continuity between the semi-pro Nikon odies and the top pro level bodies. A Nikon D300 is a D700 is a D3s or D3x; Canon uses two sets of ergonomics and controls. Nikon's semi-pro D200 and D300 have been "almost exactly: like the pro bodies, where Canon has decidedly different controls on the 1-series and the mid-level. Nikon has had a pro-capable D300 since 2007. Nikon also has two nice full-frame "pro" sports/PJ/generalist d-slr bodies in the D700 and the D3s. Canon has one pro-level full-frame body, the 1Ds Mark IV, which is slower in framing rate and very expensive. The Nikon D700 is about half the price of a Nikon D3s, or a little more than half of the price of the Canon 1Ds-III. Nikon has a perfected CLS multi-flash system: the one in the 7D is not working out so well, but then, it's Canon's first-ever camera with a built-in multi-flash commander, something Nikon's been offering for several generations of cameras now.

    For PJ work, many of the high-end people have switched to Nikon D3 systems.. people like Robert Hanashiro at USA Today, as well as many SPorts Illustrated guys let Canon over the 1D-III autofocusing fiasco, and also because, well, a full-frame d-slr has a HUGE viewfinder image compared with a crop-body camera. Canon lost the lead in the spots/PJ market once the D3 came out, primarily because a full-frame sensor offers better high-ISO performance, a larger viewfinder, and more "coverage" on high-speed prime lenses like your 300/2.8.

    The way I see it, Nikon has three pro-capable bodies: D300s with video and improved High-ISO, the D3s with vastly improved High-ISO (the industry leader most would say), and the D700. All three offer similar AF performance, although the D700 recently passed a rigorous,highly technical test done by Marianne Oelund, and the D700 and D3 are the AF speed champs. Canon has the 7D--new and untested so far, and the 1D series--nothing in-between with pro quality body capabilities. Nikon has the D700, which is an area Canon is not competitive in. The D700-D3 series 51-point AF is color-aware,and does better at AF focus tracking than the 1D-III Canon, which has a long,checkered A problem list. (Check Robgalbraith.com)

    Back to long lenses: I like Nikon's new D3s with the Full Frame, plus the 1.2x 8 MP option, plus the 1.5x DX option, all in one body. As you know,in credentialled shooting, you are often very close to the action; a 300mm lens on 1.5x or 1.6x is often far too narrow a field of view,and all you get is chopped-off feet. Your 300/2.8 is going to be a bread and butter lens, as will be your 24-70 and 70-200 2.8 lenses. Nikon's 300/2.8 VR, 24-70,and new 70-200 VR-II are superb designs. Canon;s L-glass lenses, some are fabulous, some not really so--check around on the 50/1.2L and read four or five reviews--that lens disappoints most reviewers when the results are carefully scrutinized.

    I don't know how you feel about switching from Nikon to Canon: I have seen the pendulum swing multiple times now. Nikon, Canon, Nikon, Canon, and now Nikon is in ascendency again. THe guys who shoot many AP assignments and newspaper guys using pool gear are till using Canon systems purchased in the 2005 buying cycle. Those who can afford to have, in many cases, switched to Nikon simply for the full-frame advantages, plus the 200-400 VR zoom which no other system has. Newspapers that had a 2007 or 2008 buying cycle have,in many cases, gone to the new Nikon D700-D3-D300 option of three capable professional bodies + the best flash system.
    Canon let the lower-end pros "hang" for multiple years with the 30D-40D-50D when Nikon was stealing the lower-level pros away with the D200 then the D300; Canon refused to put a professionally capable AF system into its bodies from 2003 to october of 2009: Nikon realized that people who need "two" pro bodies could buy two D300 bodies or two D700 bodies, for the price of one Canon 1D-III, and that's kind of why Nikon stole so many new sales away in the 2007-2008-2009 buying cycles.

    Canon L-glass. I own a few L-lenses. Not much different than Nikons ED glass f/2.8 lenses,really. The choice was VERY clear until the 1D-III came out-Canon all the way,body wise. But now, Nikon has passed Canon with the 2 full-frame "speed" bodies with pro-AF, and the D300s for the 1.5x crowd. Of course, if you feel like going to Canon because of what you see being shot next to you, realize much of that is "pool gear", bought in 2005 or 2006...it's almost 2010 now. If it were me, I'd look very seriously at the D700 as my body of choice for PJ/sports on a budget.
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    Either one will do the trick but I'd go with the D300s. I have read some bad reviews on the 7D. I do agree that if you can afford a D700 that would even be better!
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    He's talking about buying L lenses and not EF-S lenses. All L lenses are EF.
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    Canon keeps the 1.3x crop body around because it's popular with PJ's and other people who want to maximize the "reach" of their lenses. Very few people who use the 1D's 1.3x sensor hate it, most actually prefer it over full-frame as it's a nice compromise between 1.6x crop and full frame...

    The D3 has become popular, no doubt, but the 1D isn't dead by any means. It's a hugely popular body, and with the 1D4 due out next month, the pendulum may just swing the other way for the next few years. High ISO isn't just the domain of the D3 anymore, the 1D4 promises 102400 ISO, just as the D3S does. Also, the 1D4 has 45 cross-type sensors vs. the D3S's 15. The AF system on the 1D4 promises to be the best AF system on the market, something very attractive to sports shooters and PJ's.

    But then the OP isn't asking about $5k bodies, he's looking at a D300S and a 7D. They are pretty evenly matched with the exception that 7D presumably has superior HD video capabilities which the OP seems to be interested in. I would hazard a guess and say the D300S has a slightly superior AF and metering system.

    Given the choice right now, if I didn't have a major investment in one system already, I would probably go with the D300S. I really don't care that some Nikon lenses are 25% or more - more expensive, I can afford them if I want them. For me the 51 point AF system with a tried and true 3D color metering system plus the ability to shoot both to CF card and SD cards simultaneously with the D300S are the clinchers. I don't give a hoot about the video, I have it with my 5D2 and never use it.
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    This post makes me want a Nikon tattoo. :blushing:

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